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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1005 on: Jan 3rd, 2009, 11:20pm »

on Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:33pm, LukeSwits wrote:
i think todd was right. soulwax uses the ms20 and it's known for its high and low pass filters that can have really high resonance. plus the filter sweep explains the "dissolving" sound.

i tried it on a korg legacy ms20 vst and it sounded pretty close.


I only have the DS-10 on hand but that worked great. I also used the Minimonsta (as that's a really good VST for emulating an analog synth) and I got it to produce a very similar sound easily, I can post the MP3 if anyones interesting in learning more about how to produce this effect.

Also Luke! I wanted to tell you how easy it is to transfer to Pro Tools from Live. I used to produce with Live but now I'm Pro Tools only and the switch was easy as heck, the hardest part was replacing all my AUs with RTAS. Do it!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1006 on: Jan 4th, 2009, 09:49am »

on Jan 3rd, 2009, 10:53pm, Taylor wrote:
not really, you ever used the FL piano roll? its quick as hell, thats about the only thing fl has going for it though

Yeah that's all it really needs anyways. It's just a sequencing tool. People replace all the stock stuff with their own samples, vsts and patches. I really like the peak controller, you can pretty much sidechain any control with it.
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on Mar 13th, 2009, 05:06am, TYLER wrote:
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1007 on: Jan 4th, 2009, 10:29am »

fruity peak controller is my secret lover.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1008 on: Jan 4th, 2009, 10:45am »

Any one know of a replacement plugin for the peak controller that could be used in Pro Tools or something? I guess I could write a MAX patch to change audio data into control data... That'd be hard to get to interface with PT
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1009 on: Jan 4th, 2009, 10:24pm »

n00b Question: Terminology Unknown

I've been composing tracks on computers for quite some time now.. started with ScreamTracker/Impulse Tracker .then FruityLoops.. then Reason.. Recently I wanted to get started into introducing Hardware.

So Here's my Question. I have an old Roland W-30 Workstation that I play around with. And recently impulse bought a Roland SH-32 Synth Box, thinking that it would be a nice addition. To add in the SH-32 to the mix ..would it be considered the "Sound Module #1" in the diagram back on Page 1?

And I was also wondering if there was a way to just play the W-30 through the SH-32 live? The W-30 Manual isn't much help with this. The SH-32 should be in my hands this week.

Any layout help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1010 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 10:28am »

I'm making some edits to play out in Ableton and had a quick questions for those with experience. Basically some of the stuff I'm making is redlining prior to rendering. Nothing is clipping on my speakers or headphones (granted I don't have proper monitors) and when I re-import the final product into ableton, all the higher levels are cut off and it doesn't seem to redline anymore. See picture to understand:



Left is playing the arrangement prior to rendering, right is the final wav playing out again after being imported. I can normalize it when I export it, but it sounds pretty quiet.

Any help? Just wondering if it's going to sound like shit if I play the unnormalized version on a proper system.

edit: i've loaded some of the edits in serato and the wav forms look ordinary. they seem to sound fine too... we'll see on thursday i suppose.......
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1011 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 12:36pm »

http://tarekith.com/assets/mixdowns.html
http://tarekith.com/assets/mastering.html

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1012 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 1:14pm »

This one too:

http://www.tarekith.com/assets/Leveling.html (This one addresses EXACTLY what you're dealing with here).

From personal experience I should say when you're making edits you should almost never touch your master bus or do anything to the volumes levels unless you REALLY know what you're doing. Think about it this way: These songs are recorded in professional studios and have had amazing engineers come in and do amazing mastering jobs. Now, why would anyone go in there and fuck up their work by putting a compressor, limiter, or even normalizing a track? It's in the red, but it's not clipping - that's because these guys know what they're doing.

I always chop up, edit, and sometimes even add little things like reverse cymbol rushes into songs, but I never touch the final products dynamic range. This is simply because those mastering engineers are smarter and better than I am, so why should I bother competing?

Hope this helps dude!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1013 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 3:05pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 1:14pm, Todd wrote:
This one too:

http://www.tarekith.com/assets/Leveling.html (This one addresses EXACTLY what you're dealing with here).

From personal experience I should say when you're making edits you should almost never touch your master bus or do anything to the volumes levels unless you REALLY know what you're doing. Think about it this way: These songs are recorded in professional studios and have had amazing engineers come in and do amazing mastering jobs. Now, why would anyone go in there and fuck up their work by putting a compressor, limiter, or even normalizing a track? It's in the red, but it's not clipping - that's because these guys know what they're doing.

I always chop up, edit, and sometimes even add little things like reverse cymbol rushes into songs, but I never touch the final products dynamic range. This is simply because those mastering engineers are smarter and better than I am, so why should I bother competing?

Hope this helps dude!


do you leave 6 db of headroom like they say in the tutorials?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1014 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 8:31pm »

Just wondering if anyone uses an M-Audio Xponent? Obviously it doesn't have as much cred as some of the other CDJ's
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1015 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 9:01pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 8:31pm, BTA wrote:
Just wondering if anyone uses an M-Audio Xponent? Obviously it doesn't have as much cred as some of the other CDJ's


just get a vci-100 or vci-300. thats all you need really if you wanna do traditional DJing on a midi controller.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1016 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 9:05pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 8:31pm, BTA wrote:
Just wondering if anyone uses an M-Audio Xponent? Obviously it doesn't have as much cred as some of the other CDJ's


probably because its not a cdj
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1017 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 10:11pm »

Does anyone know what VSTs or synths I would need to get the super gritty thick textured sounds that Goose have?

I have been looking at their live equipment but I dont think they use the same stuff as in the studio. I really like the synth sounds from Goose's remix of The Cribs. I wanted to get something similar (obviously not exactly the same or i'd just be another poser). I absolutely love those sounds. I think it is the same synth they use in the Jester remix of British Mode and possibly their remix of She's My Man.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1018 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 10:36pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 9:01pm, LukeSwits wrote:
just get a vci-100 or vci-300. thats all you need really if you wanna do traditional DJing on a midi controller.


By 'all you need' do you mean that the xponent has other features as opposed to something like a vci-100?
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« Reply #1019 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 10:47pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 10:36pm, BTA wrote:
By 'all you need' do you mean that the xponent has other features as opposed to something like a vci-100?

Not really. I don't have either of them, but I do know the VCI 100's pretty awesome. I think it might have more controls geared towards effects... Not too sure though. The platters are really good and all the parts are pretty sturdy from what I've read from reviews. There's always complaints about M Audio's controllers feeling too flimsy or plasticy. That being said, if you're using Torq, it might pay to have everything laid out the way it is in the program. If you're planning on using Traktor, however, the VCI 100 is probably the better choice. Check out Djtechtools.com The guy that runs it does some crazy stuff with his VCI 100 and posts all the patches and files for download so you can do it yourself or modify it. He also has his own VCI 100 Ean Golden edition which is pretty nifty and designed for his style of DJing.

How you intend to use it is pretty important to know when deciding what controller is "better." What program are you using and what is your style of DJing? If you're doing straight up beatmatching, then you're gonna want something with large platters and pitch faders. If you want to do some crazy effects stuff, you're going to want dedicated controls for that.
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