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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1020 on: Jan 5th, 2009, 11:14pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 10:47pm, Kyran wrote:
Not really. I don't have either of them, but I do know the VCI 100's pretty awesome. I think it might have more controls geared towards effects... Not too sure though. The platters are really good and all the parts are pretty sturdy from what I've read from reviews. There's always complaints about M Audio's controllers feeling too flimsy or plasticy. That being said, if you're using Torq, it might pay to have everything laid out the way it is in the program. If you're planning on using Traktor, however, the VCI 100 is probably the better choice. Check out Djtechtools.com The guy that runs it does some crazy stuff with his VCI 100 and posts all the patches and files for download so you can do it yourself or modify it. He also has his own VCI 100 Ean Golden edition which is pretty nifty and designed for his style of DJing.

How you intend to use it is pretty important to know when deciding what controller is "better." What program are you using and what is your style of DJing? If you're doing straight up beatmatching, then you're gonna want something with large platters and pitch faders. If you want to do some crazy effects stuff, you're going to want dedicated controls for that.


Ya I kinda agree in general about M-Audio and their gear having that flimsy plastiky look. But then again alot of people are still happy with the performance they get out of their gear. Definatley will have a look at that site. I'm doing alot more of looping and effects based DJ'ing so thats really what I'm looking at.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1021 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 03:45am »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 3:05pm, LukeSwits wrote:
do you leave 6 db of headroom like they say in the tutorials?


When I'm producing? Yes. -12 to -3 is workable.. -6 is your goal. When I'm making edits I never touch the master fader nor do I leave headroom. The only time I'll touch the volume is if it's really low, which is very uncommon for modern dance music and I can only think of one song I had to do it in.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1022 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 7:58pm »

on Jan 5th, 2009, 8:31pm, BTA wrote:
Just wondering if anyone uses an M-Audio Xponent? Obviously it doesn't have as much cred as some of the other CDJ's


i was looking into one of the vci's, and i ended up with the xponent.

personally i think it was the right decision, on the vci there arent really any controls for stuff other than the most basic mixer functions, like eqing and the crossfaders. the vci-100 doesnt even have a soundcard, and i hear that the only difference between the 100 and 300 is that the 300 actually does have a soundcard.

im very happy with the xponent, i learned a lot on it and its really simple and straightforward in how to use it. i would say go xponent, it might not look as cool but i think it can be used to a greater potential.

the only problem with the xponent is that actual scratching isnt very good, for the midi platters have some drag that dont make it easy, whereas for the vci that isnt a problem. im not really a scratching dj though so i dont find it to be a problem.

and one last thing, the new torq just came out which is pretty nice. i like it a lot. if you arent familiar with torq i would look into it, i really love it. you can create snapshots and trigger a line of effects that are pre-set which is really nice and stuff. but then again i havent had much experience with any of the other dj programs other than ableton, which doesnt really count.

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1023 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 8:26pm »

The VCI 100 and 300 have more differences than the soundcard. The 100 has more effects and looping controls I think... If you got the VCI SE, you could use Ean Golden's special firmware and fader Fx theory. That means once you finish mixing in a song, you can switch modes, and the jog wheels and volume and pitch faders become additional effects controls. For example you touch the jog wheel, which turns the beatmasher effect on. Rotating clockwise, turns the effect up, counter clockwise turns it down. The volume fader now changes the sample length and at the very bottom freezes the effect. I don't know how easy it is or if even possible to make crazy kinds of mapping and stuff like that with the Xponent/Torq. It's probably possible but you'd need to get Midi Translator and write a bunch of code. Even still, it would be worth it, cause it's super cool.

The other thing is, if you buy a controller with a soundcard built in, the card's going to be a waste when you want to upgrade your soundcard in the future. If you buy an external soundcard, separate from the controller, you can upgrade to better pre amps later on in the future and sell your old interface.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1024 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 11:35pm »

Does anyone have a copy of Mixing With Your Mind in .Pdf?
I want it really badly, but I can't find an ebook of it anywhere on the interwebs.
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« Reply #1025 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 08:51am »

yo, kind of on the subject of fidget house in the questions for jfk thread (figured it would be best to ask here), what is it about fidget that gives it that bounce. seems like it is the bass but even the intro drums seem to have bounce. when i listen to some dance tracks kinda makes me want to do robot dance moves, but it seems like fidget makes everyone bounce. i've noticed even hip hop dudes are into it when i play it out. just curious what it is about the drums or bass that makes those tracks. thanks for the help.
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« Reply #1026 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 6:59pm »

^well, they use a pretty fat kick drum with a lot of bass and compression. that makes it fairly tight but also bassy... and ofcourse comes with alot of Oom oom oom oom

but thats just the beat, by the bounceyness i s'pose you mean the fact that the track feels like its got movement constantly, up and down. thats the syncopation!
fill in the blanks between the kick drum with other percussion and things. its the same reason why funk music bounces.... lots of things happening between the beat.


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1027 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 8:47pm »

Hey everyone,

*NOOB WARNING*

I tried to skim the 69 pages of posts the best I can and I didn't see my question. So here goes it. I have very little music knowledge and I was wondering if there is any point of me starting to mess around with music software with limited music knowledge? I've never played an instrument in my life, so what do you guys think would benefit me the most at the moment? Take piano lessons? Learn as I go? Any guidance would be awesome! Thanks.
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« Reply #1028 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 9:09pm »

Just pirate Ableton or something. That way you're not out a wad of money if you can't make anything. If you know how to use Google and want the knowledge enough, you can teach yourself music. You'll mostly be learning the theory portions, because you won't actually need to be able to play piano (though it does help the creative process to not have to draw on a piano roll)
There's all kinds of lessons on the internet you can find for free. Good luck.
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« Reply #1029 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 9:15pm »

Ok thanks. I've been messin around with FL stuido, would Ableton be better to start on? Or is it all preference really?
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« Reply #1030 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 9:31pm »

Fl's fine too. I have it open right now actually. It's about whichever program makes it easiest for you because you can always upgrade your plugins later to get pro sound.
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« Reply #1031 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 10:28pm »

I respectfully disagree. I've taken every theory class my college has offered and I've also taken piano lessons for a while now and three months of piano was INFINITELY more valuable to my production ability then all of those theory lessons combined. Plus it will get you laid.

Here's a quote from our man Al-P:

"if you wanna produce, take piano lessons, listen to a lot of records, and get a computer."

I strongly agree with this statement. Very very strongly. Oh yeah, and use whatever DAW you like. It's all preference. But I'd suggest Live over FL from personal experiance.
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« Reply #1032 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 11:55pm »

here's my 2cents...

i never took a lick of music lessons... im totally self taught.... and maybe that shows!
but hey, i dont consider there to be a limit. I learned to play keyboard on my own. and each time i have a musical "hurdle" i figure it out.

and software you learn.

so really, the only limit to this is you. are you willing to spend the time on it. and by time I mean, years of life.

and I like Reason. Its a good way to get used to synths and all that jazz. imo
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« Reply #1033 on: Jan 8th, 2009, 09:50am »

I mean the piano lessons are going to include theory (obviously) Your technical dexterity doesn't affect your song writing skills as much as knowing keys and scales, etc. He's probably not going to record all his songs live on a keyboard. You can learn the required skills on the internet.
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« Reply #1034 on: Jan 8th, 2009, 2:57pm »

find a daw you like and learn everything about it because it should basically just be an extension of your mind, when you have an idea you should be able to reproduce it without having to mess with a bunch of software shit

piano lessons help immensely, im self taught but i cant sight read so its kind of a bummer, but knowing piano helps you figure out what should come next naturally in a progression, just teach yourself to read music, play it then after a while youll begin to be able to reproduce riffs you hear by ear

about a year after getting a keyboard i can identify song keys, reproduce riffs and come up with progressions on my own, when i look at it though, i essentially taught myself music theory because all the stuff i do parallels whats taught in the books
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