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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1260 on: Mar 18th, 2009, 11:03pm »

on Mar 18th, 2009, 6:35pm, Uncle Ben and Aunt Beru wrote:
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What is the best valued MPC?

best value? like bang for your buck?
whatever you do do not get the 5000. heard it is mad glitchy and doesn't really offer anything to validate it's price tag. just blaze tore it down in like a 2 page essay on his blog.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1261 on: Mar 18th, 2009, 11:36pm »

on Mar 18th, 2009, 08:53am, Kyran wrote:
Dude are you going to keep ripping off other songs? Like I understand wanting to learn new sounds and stuff but no one wants to hear copies of other songs. Try coming up with your own sounds/image/ideas for once.


Are you really going to chastise someone else's artistic decisions? I steal everything all of the time. Riffs, ideas, patterns, everything. Next, are you going to chastise Jesse for stealing the riff to their Woman remix? No, you're not. Because it's not where you take things from, it's where you take them to.

Steal everything. Like that famous image says, originality is impossible, authenticity is invaluable. Meaning everyone has the right to steal artistic ideas from everywhere, as long as they are sincere in their insight and artistic direction.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1262 on: Mar 18th, 2009, 11:39pm »

on Mar 18th, 2009, 11:36pm, Todd wrote:
Are you really going to chastise someone else's artistic decisions? I steal everything all of the time. Riffs, ideas, patterns, everything. Next, are you going to chastise Jesse for stealing the riff to their Woman remix? No, you're not. Because it's not where you take things from, it's where you take them to.

Steal everything. Like that famous image says, originality is impossible, authenticity is invaluable. Meaning everyone has the right to steal artistic ideas from everywhere, as long as they are sincere in their insight and artistic direction.


true, if someone wants to be a generic contemporary artist and forgotten in a year. then so be it.

there are trend setters and trend followers in all things.

and using mstrkrft is a poor example. thats one track and a similar riff. not an entire sound. they've got a particular sound of their own.



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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1263 on: Mar 18th, 2009, 11:40pm »

^ARGUMENTS THREAD


thanks 4 the MPC help.


I will probably end up buying a cocktail drum kit instead.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1264 on: Mar 19th, 2009, 12:41am »

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2000xl

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1265 on: Mar 19th, 2009, 12:56am »

on Mar 18th, 2009, 11:36pm, Todd wrote:
Are you really going to chastise someone else's artistic decisions? I steal everything all of the time. Riffs, ideas, patterns, everything. Next, are you going to chastise Jesse for stealing the riff to their Woman remix? No, you're not. Because it's not where you take things from, it's where you take them to.

Steal everything. Like that famous image says, originality is impossible, authenticity is invaluable. Meaning everyone has the right to steal artistic ideas from everywhere, as long as they are sincere in their insight and artistic direction.


i disagree.

I actually am in a fight with my band mate right now because he has a song that he wants to play that is a blatent copy of style and just about everything else of an artist we both listen to and really appreciate. Copying isn't a way to show inspiration or flattery, thats like what silly mother's say to kids. Now there are so many possible notes and combinations, but even the intonation of a riff can change it so much, so I can see shit like that meaning nothing, but there is no point in completely biting someone else's style other than that its more practice for you in terms of actual production.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1266 on: Mar 19th, 2009, 07:22am »

on Mar 18th, 2009, 11:36pm, Todd wrote:
Are you really going to chastise someone else's artistic decisions? I steal everything all of the time. Riffs, ideas, patterns, everything. Next, are you going to chastise Jesse for stealing the riff to their Woman remix? No, you're not. Because it's not where you take things from, it's where you take them to.

Steal everything. Like that famous image says, originality is impossible, authenticity is invaluable. Meaning everyone has the right to steal artistic ideas from everywhere, as long as they are sincere in their insight and artistic direction.

If you want to steal everything that goes into your music that's fine by me. But I'm saying people can tell when you slap some midi patterns into a synth preset, record some cheesy vocals and repeat until you have an LP. Call me crazy but if you can only make music by stealing other people's idea, that makes you a pretty shitty musician in my books.

As for being sincere in insight and artistic direction, have you heard N3Marco's song that's just a blatant rip off of Cornelius? He even recorded little "Oi"s in the exact same style. He also stole their FFA89 logo etc. Just go look through his Myspace if you want proof.

And I don't think the line you quoted means "Go ahead and steal whatever you want!" It means existing art affects future art by influencing the artist, not by being carbon copied and repackaged. When I make any music, it comes straight from my head. Maybe that's been influenced by other artists I've listened to, but I'm not consciously taking someone else's idea for my own.

You won't get far by being unoriginal.
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EDIT: I JUST REALIZED THIS ISN'T THE WHERE I GO ON MUSHROOMS THREAD.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1267 on: Mar 19th, 2009, 08:33am »

^ well said, even though i think my sarcasm was quite sufficient.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1268 on: Mar 19th, 2009, 11:19am »

Here's a collection of Free VSTs I found for Windows & MAC OS... I was looking for a good free limiter... does anyone have any recommendations of a good limiter? PSP Xenon?

MDA Open Source Plugins

http://mda.smartelectronix.com/effects.htm
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1269 on: Mar 19th, 2009, 5:09pm »

on Mar 19th, 2009, 11:19am, robotech wrote:
does anyone have any recommendations of a good limiter?

(Cracked) Waves?


I've recently found out that the Waves Linear Multiband is my key to better mixes.
Maybe the producersof the forum should talk a bit about their mixing process?
Personally, I mute all but the kick and snare and get them balanced and peaking at around -10dB, then I'll bring in the rest of the percussion and then bass, synths, etc and try to get everything nice and balanced and peaking around -8dB to -6dB. Then the Waves L2 goes on and the threshold brought down until there's a bit of compression (usually not more than 3dB) Then lately I've been putting on the Phase Multiband and fine tuning with that. I solo the lowest band and tweak the range, gain and threshold a bit, then move upwards through the bands until everything sounds cleaner. Usually the upper mid bands will have the most compression, followed by the highest bands, with the lowest bands coming in with the least amount of compression. As usual each individual track will get its own EQ treatment and dynamics processing if necessary.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1270 on: Mar 20th, 2009, 10:16am »

hey guys, been lurking here for a minute, and finally made an account after doing a bit of reading as i wanna get advice from some of you knowledgable folks

so im looking to getting into djing and music production, not sure to what degree i want to but i guess time will tell if I get serious about it or not but everybody's gotta start somewhere. I'm half decent at dj-ing with turntables (mixing, beatmatching etc.) since I play around with my friends, but I decided to go the ableton and laptop route. Been reading as much as I can on ableton and finding resources. My question is on equipment I'm going to need for my tasks.

As far as I understand, for dj-ing ill need:
a MIDI controller
headphones
sound card to allow 2 outputs for headphones and speakers

is this enough to get started? what's a solid midi controller? I've just been reading about this one (the akai APC40) and apparently it's perfect as it's made for ableton.
http://www.akaipro.com/apc40
Any recommendations about this one or any other ones?

and then for production, this is where I'm stumped...what do i need exactly? I'm not looking for professional equipment obviously as I'm getting started, but what are some solid equipment that are good bang for your buck, and what exactly do i need? a midi keyboard? a synthesizer?

any advice is appreciated, thanks!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1271 on: Mar 20th, 2009, 10:56am »

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yeah that's enough to get started Djing with Ableton. MIDI controllers well the APC40 is the newest/ premiere controller for Ableton so if you want to drop 400 bucks on it go ahead but if you're just starting out and your budget isn't so big then get something that's not nearly as complex... for DJing I use the korg nano series controllers, it's simple, cheap, and portable... can get wasted and throw it around only cost like 50 bucks each and i got the warranty at guitar center so if anything happens they'll replace it...

http://www.korgnano.com/


well for production you'll need a bunch of stuff. or little stuff depends what you're trying to do, how complex your sounds get etc etc...

so i guess off the top of my head you'll need:

a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) i.e. Ableton Live, Digidesign Protools or Apple's Logic Pro would be your best bets...

then from there you need a way to re create the sounds you want

so for drums you'll want a sample collection (look @ torrent sites) like the Vengeance Sound Packs... or a 808 drum machine VST

for synths there are tons, and the point is kinda to learn one really well first and get a unique sound. get that under your belt and all the other ones will fall in line, they all share the same basic structures...

you have to start studying Synth programming so you can use other stuff other than the presets... so google synth programming and start learning that

as far as equipment goes i say the only hardware you really really need is some studio monitors... that's speakers that are EQd flat so what you do in your DAW is what's coming out of the speaker... and maybe if you play the piano a MIDI Keyboard... but I personally program my music by hand in ableton, i just use MIDI keyboard to play around and shape the sound i want, then I write the music out...

***most of the major companies that made synthesizers have also designed virtual synths that recreate the sounds on your computer, and if you plug a midi keyboard to it it's like having dozens of synths in one

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the more you learn the more you realize that there is so much more to learn so just start by choosing one of the many aspects of music production be it sound synthesis, or musical composition, or technical know-how and start looking up tutorials on youtube, or google, or go to the library and get some books... take a class whatever....

also make sure you read through the whole board because this question get's asked every 3 pages and people get kind of "upset" when it keeps being asked over and over...


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1272 on: Mar 20th, 2009, 12:46pm »

DJing w/ Ableton Live Awesome Tip No.1 by Mezze...

"To save computational resources Live keeps the decoded files of compressed samples in the decoding cache"

well that means that all your mp3's are being converted to .wav files and stored in the decoding cache... problem? takes up a lot of room.

so if you're like me and you want to line up your entire library in ableton so you can play any situation not just set by set... it means your decoding cache can be 100 gigs... mine grew to be that big it was awful. here's a cool trick to be able to have your entire library in a set but not have it take up all that much room... kinda...



ok so step 1 is to create a live DJ template... map out your parameters, all the plug-ins/ effects you want... give your self some extra columns etc etc and save it as a template...

LIVE - PREFERENCES - FILE/FOLDER - SAVE CURRENT SET AS TEMPLATE...

ok now here's the cool part...

it's possible to merge Live sets... when you save a project/set it spits out a folder, within the folder is an .als file... this file contains a listing of the songs inside ableton...

so now start up a new live set... and let's say warp and put all your house songs in it... one column or 2 whatever... save it HOUSE SET or something

then do that for electro, and top 40 or how ever you do your songs... think of them as crates in serato... keep them small 10 songs, 20 songs... take all the .als files put them in one folder and SHABANG those are your ableton crates...

now open up dj template and now you can just drag those .als files into a colum and it'll import the tracks but keep the settings from your template so if you're playing somewhere and some girl you want to bang request madonna, and you're spitting out bloody beetroots at 160bpm, and you want to switch it up, just drag and drop your .als file with it inside...

this is helpful because this way when you start up ableton it will not have to load all the tracks in the set/ keep them all in the decoding cache taking up space...

LIVE - PREFERENCES - FILE/FOLDER - DECODING CACHE - CLEAN UP

live will delete any files not in your current set... so you can line up your entire library and not load it everytime and have it take up so much space...

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1273 on: Mar 20th, 2009, 8:24pm »

the waves mercury bundle is blowing my mind right now...

theres just so many plugins, i dont know where to start
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1274 on: Mar 20th, 2009, 10:15pm »

L2, C1, Phase MB, C4, TransX
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