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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1380 on: Apr 22nd, 2009, 10:08pm »

Hello,

Im new to the forum, but over the past few days i've been reading a lot of pages and threads.

I've actually made it through the first 30 or so pages of this thread, but i'm still having struggles with my music.

For the past few weeks i have been working with ableton live 6 on my Macbook in hopes of creating something worthwhile, but things have been really difficult.

I want to create strong bass lines (bloody beetroots, la riots - favretto remix, etc), but i think my vsts are lacking.

I currently have Pro 53, Vanguard, and Quadrasid, but im having difficulties.

It just seems that no matter how much I tweak things, I cant get it right.

I've heard good things about the following vsts:
effectrix
minimonsta
ARP 2600
Waves Bundle
Minimoog V
PlastiCZ
Izotope Ozone
PSP Vintagewarmer

does anyone know where i can find them for download (non-torrent)?

Speaking of the synth line on the Favretto remix, is it all one instrument/bass, or are there multiple synths involved?

Also, i'm not really familiar with the effects in ableton. do you think i should just delve in and attempt to figure them out on my own, or are there some that you would recommend trying first.

Thanks in advance for all of your help.

I honestly need it.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1381 on: Apr 24th, 2009, 11:30am »

I got a new PC!
Intel Core Quad CPU Q9400@2.66GHz 2,67GHz
6GB RAM

But my audio/midi-interface is producing a lot of crackling and popping sounds in my music.
Ableton is using 25%CPU.
With the standard soundcard (realtek with no asio) a don't get this crackling and popping.

What should I do?
I installed it with the latest Vista driver.
I'm running in 44.1 KHz mode now (lowest setting, I can go up to 192).

Anyone else had this problem?
My interface is a Edirol FA-66...
Oh yeah, and I can't downgrade to XP.


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1382 on: Apr 24th, 2009, 11:36am »

on Apr 22nd, 2009, 10:08pm, itseanok wrote:
It just seems that no matter how much I tweak things, I cant get it right.

Good luck finding all that stuff without torrents... Especially for Mac.

You didn't really name off any modern style synths either, just emulations of old hardware. If I were you, I'd get one synth and learn it completely (May I suggest Rob Papen's Albino or Predator) Hold off on downloading a bunch of stuff, it's only going to confuse you more. More plugins =/= more skill or better sound. Learn the types of synthesis properly as well as filters, envelopes, etc. Then you'll be able to make the sounds you want. Hell I can make a phat ass bass patch in FL's little 3Osc synth in about 25 seconds so it has nothing to do with the software you have.
Look up Youtube tutorials on synthesis (especially for the synth you choose to learn on) and Ableton effects or anything else you need to learn. Seriously, Google is your friend here.

Any specific questions you have that you can't figure out through google or reading through previous answers, you can ask here.




on Apr 24th, 2009, 11:30am, Heraclys wrote:
Mah shit's broken!
My PC's sweet though!

Buffer setting?
What are you running when everything's going crackly?
Is Ableton cracked?
Is it crackling only when you're playing back or are the crackles showing up in the actual recordings?
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on Mar 13th, 2009, 05:06am, TYLER wrote:
EDIT: I JUST REALIZED THIS ISN'T THE WHERE I GO ON MUSHROOMS THREAD.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1383 on: Apr 24th, 2009, 12:21pm »

on Apr 24th, 2009, 11:30am, Heraclys wrote:
I got a new PC!
Intel Core Quad CPU Q9400@2.66GHz 2,67GHz
6GB RAM

But my audio/midi-interface is producing a lot of crackling and popping sounds in my music.
Ableton is using 25%CPU.
With the standard soundcard (realtek with no asio) a don't get this crackling and popping.

What should I do?
I installed it with the latest Vista driver.
I'm running in 44.1 KHz mode now (lowest setting, I can go up to 192).

Anyone else had this problem?
My interface is a Edirol FA-66...
Oh yeah, and I can't downgrade to XP.




This happens a lot when I use the Arturia Jupiter 8V
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1384 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 12:23am »

on Apr 24th, 2009, 11:36am, Kyran wrote:
Good luck finding all that stuff without torrents... Especially for Mac.

You didn't really name off any modern style synths either, just emulations of old hardware. If I were you, I'd get one synth and learn it completely (May I suggest Rob Papen's Albino or Predator) Hold off on downloading a bunch of stuff, it's only going to confuse you more. More plugins =/= more skill or better sound. Learn the types of synthesis properly as well as filters, envelopes, etc. Then you'll be able to make the sounds you want. Hell I can make a phat ass bass patch in FL's little 3Osc synth in about 25 seconds so it has nothing to do with the software you have.
Look up Youtube tutorials on synthesis (especially for the synth you choose to learn on) and Ableton effects or anything else you need to learn. Seriously, Google is your friend here.


Thanks for all your advice. i definitely understand what you mean about not downloading a bunch of synths. I just thought I'd thow that out there.

I've gone ahead and downloaded the Predator synth. It looks really great, and from what i've read, is very effective.

I looked up some tutorials for Predator, but i couldnt really find anything...so i'll just watch some for other synths and attempt to apply that knowledge.

Im reading up on synthesis as well, so hopefully things work out with that.

Also, it seems that my torrents are now working.

Does anyone know where I can find a legit cracked ableton 7 for os x? All the torrents ive tried keep working for a minute, and then crashing...

I'm really interested in the side chain compression feature.

Thanks
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1385 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 01:48am »

Not to respark the m-audio/digidesign debate:

I need some advice on setup:
I am trying to run live drums and guitar into something like ableton, anything that will get the job done will work. I want to be able to send mixes to the drummer with a click track that is synced with loops and vst synth stuff that I am doing. Same with the guitar. I also want to be able to process the drums and the mix of the whole band realtime. So essentially I want to be able to have the guitars amp and mics on the drums be run into a program for my real time tweaking, and I want to send them both mixes of what I'm djing real time.

So I'm figuring something like a m-audio or digidesign interface would be able to take the audio into ableton real time, and I could dj-headphone out the clicks to the guitarist and the drummer through secondary outputs?

Does that make sense and does anyone have any good ideas on how to work this, opinions on what hardware to buy. As cheap as possible leads me to think an m-audio interface if that would work.

Thanks brahs.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1386 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 2:36pm »

on Apr 22nd, 2009, 10:08pm, itseanok wrote:
Hello,

Im new to the forum, but over the past few days i've been reading a lot of pages and threads.

I've actually made it through the first 30 or so pages of this thread, but i'm still having struggles with my music.

For the past few weeks i have been working with ableton live 6 on my Macbook in hopes of creating something worthwhile, but things have been really difficult.

I want to create strong bass lines (bloody beetroots, la riots - favretto remix, etc), but i think my vsts are lacking.

I currently have Pro 53, Vanguard, and Quadrasid, but im having difficulties.

It just seems that no matter how much I tweak things, I cant get it right.

I've heard good things about the following vsts:
effectrix
minimonsta
ARP 2600
Waves Bundle
Minimoog V
PlastiCZ
Izotope Ozone
PSP Vintagewarmer

does anyone know where i can find them for download (non-torrent)?

Speaking of the synth line on the Favretto remix, is it all one instrument/bass, or are there multiple synths involved?

Also, i'm not really familiar with the effects in ableton. do you think i should just delve in and attempt to figure them out on my own, or are there some that you would recommend trying first.

Thanks in advance for all of your help.

I honestly need it.


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1387 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 3:33pm »

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Speaking of the synth line on the Favretto remix, is it all one instrument/bass, or are there multiple synths involved?
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« Reply #1388 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 3:35pm »

on Apr 25th, 2009, 12:23am, itseanok wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find a legit cracked ableton 7 for os x? All the torrents ive tried keep working for a minute, and then crashing...

I'm really interested in the side chain compression feature.

Thanks


audionews.ru will have every legit crack out there. its invite only but occasionally has open registration.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1389 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 4:29pm »

Thanks for everyone's help.

It's just frustrating starting out, but im sure that my skills will progress over time.

My best friend and I usually make sample-based hip-hop music, so this is somewhat of a new ball-game.

It's my dream to do this, and I wont give up.

Thanks again.
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« Reply #1390 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 5:23pm »

This isn't the place to be posting links and info on cracked software.
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« Reply #1391 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 6:48pm »

So currently my set up is:

Windows PC w/ reason
Macbook Pro w/ Logic & Pro Tools 7 LE
A Boss DR-880
M-Audio Keyrig 49

I just got pro tools off of my dad today & was wondering how i would go about running reason inside of pro tools as its own 'plug in' kind of deal

I have absolutely no idea how to use pro tools yet - bare in mind i literally just installed it 5 minutes ago

Any and all information is MUCH appreciated!
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« Reply #1392 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 8:05pm »

on Apr 25th, 2009, 01:48am, jables wrote:
Not to respark the m-audio/digidesign debate:

I need some advice on setup:
I am trying to run live drums and guitar into something like ableton, anything that will get the job done will work. I want to be able to send mixes to the drummer with a click track that is synced with loops and vst synth stuff that I am doing. Same with the guitar. I also want to be able to process the drums and the mix of the whole band realtime. So essentially I want to be able to have the guitars amp and mics on the drums be run into a program for my real time tweaking, and I want to send them both mixes of what I'm djing real time.

So I'm figuring something like a m-audio or digidesign interface would be able to take the audio into ableton real time, and I could dj-headphone out the clicks to the guitarist and the drummer through secondary outputs?

Does that make sense and does anyone have any good ideas on how to work this, opinions on what hardware to buy. As cheap as possible leads me to think an m-audio interface if that would work.

Thanks brahs.


Well the problem is that you want to run the drums and guitar into ableton and back out.. this is going to require at least ten inputs to sound good. If not 16. You're going to be micing the kick, two toms, snare, each crash, etc. Usually overhead mics too. And to mix that in real time? Wow, I give you major props if you can do that, it's ALOT to handle. If you just had one mic on the drumset it's way more realistic but it will sound like total shit to the audience.

The best way I could see this working is if you let the club/venue worry about the drums and guitars, and you just worry about yourself and your VSTs. This would only require an interface with a minimum of four outputs (two for the main out, the other one or two for your click track to the drummer). Cheapest way to do this is the M-Audio Firewire 410 which is $300 and has 8 ouputs, more than enough for you.

The only problem with that is my personal experience of the Firewire 410 has been dreadful. I used it to write most of the music from my first album and man, it just sucked. Constantly crashed ableton, constantly shut down the drivers for the soundcard (had to unplug it and plug it back in to get it working again). I would never in my LIFE trust that thing on stage. It just had SEVERE driver problems for me, and I even tried every single version of the drivers with my macbook to no avail.

On the flipside, Gaspar uses one live whenever he DJs with Ableton or as Cold Blank and I don't think I've ever seen them have a problem with it. But just by simply googling the product name you'll see forum after forum of people complaining to death about it. Too bad though, cus if you want something of quality with 8 outputs you're looking at at least double what the Firewire 410 is priced at.

But I still keep mine around cus it's a cheap way to bus tracks into my girlfriend.. I mean my console...



on Apr 25th, 2009, 6:48pm, Kurups wrote:
So currently my set up is:

Windows PC w/ reason
Macbook Pro w/ Logic & Pro Tools 7 LE
A Boss DR-880
M-Audio Keyrig 49

I just got pro tools off of my dad today & was wondering how i would go about running reason inside of pro tools as its own 'plug in' kind of deal

I have absolutely no idea how to use pro tools yet - bare in mind i literally just installed it 5 minutes ago

Any and all information is MUCH appreciated!


Typed in "how to rewire reason into pro tools 7" and this came up: http://www.maketunes.com/blog/amittai/howto-rewire-reason-in-protools

Come on buddy kurups! Google power! Use it! But also to add, Pro Tools has a tendency to not play very nice with Reason in rewire mode so you might just want to try bouncing shit back and forth if it doesn't work out. Either way you'll get the job done and lots of artists prefer bouncing anyway so whatever.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1393 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 8:40pm »

my reason 4.0 works flawlessly with protools rewire... you just add it like you would any RTAS to a midi track. maybe you dont have enough RAM or too many background programs? I don't know, I think reason runs lighter than a single kontakt 2 instance so you shouldnt have that much trouble.
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« Reply #1394 on: Apr 25th, 2009, 8:48pm »

on Apr 25th, 2009, 8:40pm, thetechnopagans wrote:
my reason 4.0 works flawlessly with protools rewire... you just add it like you would any RTAS to a midi track. maybe you dont have enough RAM or too many background programs? I don't know, I think reason runs lighter than a single kontakt 2 instance so you shouldnt have that much trouble.


Never said it wouldn't work, just said "if shit doesn't work out", y'know.. plan B'in it up. I've used it with no problems in the past, mostly at studios. But I don't even have it installed on my Pro. Hell I have about four VSTs installed and that's about it besides Pro Tools hahah
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