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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1425 on: Apr 30th, 2009, 7:17pm »

How many of you guys actually mix on your laptops with ableton connected? It seems like a lot of people spin and use CDJ's, etc., and I can't tell if it's because that's what they're used to or if that's the most efficient way to mix on stage. I literally got the full version of ableton like a month ago and am slowly learning how to use it. I am also very low on cash and basically plan on using a laptop to DJ when I first get started just because that's the only way i can play my mixes without all the audio equipment.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1426 on: May 1st, 2009, 04:56am »

personal taste my friend.

I prefer traktor scratch pro to ableton, but i use ableton for different mixes and vice versa.

You can be more creative in ableton, you can slice, dice, and remix live with it, but its nothing traditional at all, and thats what some people like going with.

Laptop DJing (well atleast without limitation) is still fucking expensive.

(Australian currency, deal with it)
Ableton = $800 (yes i paid like a good boy)
UC-33 midi controller = $400
External Sound card = $450
DJM700 mixer = $1300

Alot of people dont mix inside live, well, atleast every major DJ ive seen that uses ableton, uses an external mixer, but ive done it fine no probs.

if you pirate etc, its alot cheaper, but still expensive to do properly. tbh, it pays to learn how to DJ properly though, never know when you'll get the oppurtunity to mix and they wont let you use a laptop or whatever.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1427 on: May 1st, 2009, 10:52am »

on Apr 28th, 2009, 8:24pm, Kyran wrote:
You have exactly the same plan that I do for live shows. I'm going to be processing my whole band through and interface and controlling master patch changes with my midi foot board. I won't be doing anything really electronic but I might want a dance set every once in a while. You could use a hybrid set with electronic pads (like Danny Carey from Tool) or you could perhaps use triggers.
Also with some EQ and dynamics processing you could make your acoustic set sound electronic. Like put heavy compression on your kick and also sidechain it to a gate on another channel that has a pure low sine wave constantly running through it. The kick will have a heavy sound and the sine getting triggered takes care of the low end. Same thing with snare except triggering white noise. Eq the hats and process everything else in a similar fashion. Then you can also dynamically process the drums with everything else (sidechaining kick to bass)

As for an interface, I haven't really decided yet either. I'm looking at the Fast Track Ultra. 8 channels (Kick, Snare, Hats, Toms/cymbals/effects, Bass, Two Guitars, Mic) Pro Tools compatibility, good price. It's important to research the drivers and reliability of the interface to make sure it'll hold up in a live situation with low latency.


Precisely! Let me know what you decide for interface.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1428 on: May 1st, 2009, 11:15am »

Hey Kyran,
You might want to check something like this out:

http://www.turntablelab.com/production_tools/85/214/9098.html

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1429 on: May 1st, 2009, 1:30pm »

sorry guys i'm gunna be in this thread a lot cuz I'm just getting started with makin music.

So is there an automatic way to organize your library according to BPM? For some reason I remember watching a bunch of lesson videos about ableton long before I bought the software, and I thought one of them said there was a way to automatically organize the library by BPM so that you know which songs match up the best. Is this true?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1430 on: May 1st, 2009, 5:36pm »

on May 1st, 2009, 1:30pm, shookis wrote:
sorry guys i'm gunna be in this thread a lot cuz I'm just getting started with makin music.

So is there an automatic way to organize your library according to BPM? For some reason I remember watching a bunch of lesson videos about ableton long before I bought the software, and I thought one of them said there was a way to automatically organize the library by BPM so that you know which songs match up the best. Is this true?


as much as I like to discuss Ableton and share what I know about it I feel like we need to start a new thread for Ableton questions...

to answer your question. No I do not think you can do that inside Ableton itself, but you can easily do it for example if you use a BPM scanner, scan your tracks for relative BPM, then use a program such as tag&rename to rename your tracks in some sort of BPM order such as artist - bpm - track title... then when you browse by name in th ableton browser they'll be similar...

but this kinda of defeats the purpose of Ableton as far as DJing really. one of the wonders of Djing with Ableton is being able to take 2 tracks that are really really far apart in BPM range and making them match by warping them correctly...

the reason you would want to arrange tracks by BPM let's say if you were Djing with Serato is because there's a limitation of how far you can stretch a song to match... you can't take a song that's 100 bpms and bring it up to 128 without having it sound like the chipmunks are doing a cover...

in ableton when you warp a track there are different modes... repitch is your standard turntable style pitch correction so the tracks will increase in pitch when you up the bpm and vice versa... but in complex mode Ableton corrects for this and you will not get that chipmunk style sound... does that make sense?

now there is one reason you might want to do this in ableton... when stretching a song too far pass it's original BPM range you will get a loss of sound quality... and perhaps artifacts here and there in your song... but i posted an article on how to correct for this and have since tried it out and it does a great job. Ableton 8 also has an improved complex warp mode (or so it claims haven't really tested it out much) and it's supposed to be even more accurate when stretching songs...



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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1431 on: May 1st, 2009, 6:29pm »

on May 1st, 2009, 5:36pm, robotech wrote:
as much as I like to discuss Ableton and share what I know about it I feel like we need to start a new thread for Ableton questions...

to answer your question. No I do not think you can do that inside Ableton itself, but you can easily do it for example if you use a BPM scanner, scan your tracks for relative BPM, then use a program such as tag&rename to rename your tracks in some sort of BPM order such as artist - bpm - track title... then when you browse by name in th ableton browser they'll be similar...

but this kinda of defeats the purpose of Ableton as far as DJing really. one of the wonders of Djing with Ableton is being able to take 2 tracks that are really really far apart in BPM range and making them match by warping them correctly...

the reason you would want to arrange tracks by BPM let's say if you were Djing with Serato is because there's a limitation of how far you can stretch a song to match... you can't take a song that's 100 bpms and bring it up to 128 without having it sound like the chipmunks are doing a cover...

in ableton when you warp a track there are different modes... repitch is your standard turntable style pitch correction so the tracks will increase in pitch when you up the bpm and vice versa... but in complex mode Ableton corrects for this and you will not get that chipmunk style sound... does that make sense?

now there is one reason you might want to do this in ableton... when stretching a song too far pass it's original BPM range you will get a loss of sound quality... and perhaps artifacts here and there in your song... but i posted an article on how to correct for this and have since tried it out and it does a great job. Ableton 8 also has an improved complex warp mode (or so it claims haven't really tested it out much) and it's supposed to be even more accurate when stretching songs...





lol i attempted to make a thread. but... people i guess dont want two threads. so...

"Someone should tell me what the fuss is about Ableton, I hear it's amazing. I'm not saying it isn't. I just wanna know from someone who can tell me without having to read a bunch of specs. "
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1432 on: May 1st, 2009, 6:45pm »

on May 1st, 2009, 6:29pm, sparkoflife wrote:
lol i attempted to make a thread. but... people i guess dont want two threads. so...

"Someone should tell me what the fuss is about Ableton, I hear it's amazing. I'm not saying it isn't. I just wanna know from someone who can tell me without having to read a bunch of specs. "


ever tried this website?
http://www.ableton.com/

there just happens to be a video on the front page showing you a guy make a beat.....

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1433 on: May 1st, 2009, 11:22pm »

yea i dunno what made me think there was a bpm organizer, i could have sworn it was just a standard feature in an older version of live? Whatever tho, no big deal. I could ask technical questions about this program all day, but I dunno if this thread is the appropriate spot.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1434 on: May 2nd, 2009, 12:46am »

on May 1st, 2009, 11:22pm, shookis wrote:
yea i dunno what made me think there was a bpm organizer, i could have sworn it was just a standard feature in an older version of live? Whatever tho, no big deal. I could ask technical questions about this program all day, but I dunno if this thread is the appropriate spot.


lol please do.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1435 on: May 2nd, 2009, 1:24pm »

anyone know what they use to get the girl that says phantom in the soulwax phantom remix to sound like that, and mr.oizio uses it to in his productions
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1436 on: May 3rd, 2009, 12:32pm »

on Apr 25th, 2009, 8:05pm, Todd wrote:
Come on buddy kurups! Google power! Use it! But also to add, Pro Tools has a tendency to not play very nice with Reason in rewire mode so you might just want to try bouncing shit back and forth if it doesn't work out. Either way you'll get the job done and lots of artists prefer bouncing anyway so whatever.


Lol, thank you so much man... i was having a lazy moment.

This one however I'm stumped on.

When i record a hardware synth for whatever reason it records incredibly quiet! This is the same with any hardware instrument, actually (I have a DR-880 as well that comes off super quiet)

The live volume is loud as hell, and i've got it going through the motu - which boosts it even MORE when i initialize the recording process - but still the signal is so weak.

Anyone know why this might be?
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« Reply #1437 on: May 3rd, 2009, 12:41pm »

on May 3rd, 2009, 12:32pm, Kurups wrote:
Lol, thank you so much man... i was having a lazy moment.

This one however I'm stumped on.

When i record a hardware synth for whatever reason it records incredibly quiet! This is the same with any hardware instrument, actually (I have a DR-880 as well that comes off super quiet)

The live volume is loud as hell, and i've got it going through the motu - which boosts it even MORE when i initialize the recording process - but still the signal is so weak.

Anyone know why this might be?


Get two DI's and run it in Stereo
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1438 on: May 4th, 2009, 03:34am »

on May 2nd, 2009, 1:24pm, wiiman wrote:
anyone know what they use to get the girl that says phantom in the soulwax phantom remix to sound like that, and mr.oizio uses it to in his productions


Or they pay a girl with this voice to say it:
"Phantome numero deux, fantoom numer twee"
and "Vous ętes des animaux"

Or...they simply use a text to speech program like this:
http://www.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1439 on: May 4th, 2009, 03:39am »

The one Soulwax uses is probably a real girl saying it.
It just sounds to good
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