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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1470 on: May 13th, 2009, 9:45pm »

What do people think of the original Mbox?

i think ima buy one with PT 7.4 off craigslist.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1471 on: May 13th, 2009, 11:07pm »

Can you take plug-ins from logic 8, specifically an amp simulator and use it as a plugin for motu's Audiodesk?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1472 on: May 13th, 2009, 11:15pm »

on May 13th, 2009, 11:07pm, Kurups wrote:
Can you take plug-ins from logic 8, specifically an amp simulator and use it as a plugin for motu's Audiodesk?


vst run in every program i think.
that's the beauty of it.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1473 on: May 14th, 2009, 07:57am »

Incorrect. Vst technology was developed by Steinberg, creators of Cubase, and has been adopted by several DAWs. There are still many programs which choose to use their own proprietary plugin format. Pro Tools uses RTAS, Reason uses their own hardware modules, etc. AUs are Mac only and are also popular.
There is, however a way to get around this sometimes. You can run a plugin within a wrapper which allows it to interface with your DAW, ie a VST to RTAS wrapper. This is not as great as it seems as companies choose their plugin formats for a reason. Trying to use a plugin in a program it was not meant for may cause instability, crashes, loss of files, freezing, etc. So be very careful and backup your projects often.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1474 on: May 14th, 2009, 11:27am »

I have 2 questions if anyone wants to answer.

A. in a sidechain, what is the significance of the knee? does it make the compression more smooth? i cant quite hear the difference and its confusing the hell out of me.

B. I've been obsessed with the Sugar Bytes Effectrix and the Unique synth since I found out Siriusmo, Shinichi Osawa, Boys Noize, Modeselektor, Le Castle Vania, exc. all use the same VSTs by Sugar Bytes. I dont know if anyone is "allowed" to answer this question, but does anyone know a good mac torrent of either/both of them? i've been looking forever and to no avail. I would buy it im incredibly broke right now.
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« Reply #1475 on: May 14th, 2009, 3:23pm »

The knee does make the compression more smooth. It makes the transition between "uncompressed" and "getting smacked" more gradual. It doesn't really have all that much of a use in the standard kick/bass sidechain scenario, as you'd usually want a fast attack with immediate compression, not slow transparent gain reduction.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1476 on: May 15th, 2009, 04:32am »

on May 14th, 2009, 3:23pm, Kyran wrote:
The knee does make the compression more smooth. It makes the transition between "uncompressed" and "getting smacked" more gradual. It doesn't really have all that much of a use in the standard kick/bass sidechain scenario, as you'd usually want a fast attack with immediate compression, not slow transparent gain reduction.


Just so I don't have to doublequote - Kyren is dead on regarding the vst wrapper issue. They're unstable and cause random problems out of pattern. If you'd like to use one I would suggest rewiring another daw or simply finding a native plugin instead (always the best option).

Kyren explained what the knee does, but I have to disagree as far as its importance goes. Your knee has a massive impact on the timbre of your sidechain, it's a vital part of your mix. The exact same sidechain with a knee of 4, 8, 12, 18, 24 or 30 are all going to sound unique. There is no right answer - how good each one sounds is going to depend on your songs mix and its individuality.

Look at it this way:



Besides mastering, the sidechain is really the only thing that's going to effect your entire song. Each one of those little dots is going to be effected by your sidechain in some way. A silly setting like your knee takes on its own world of importance when it's directly effecting everything you write.

That's not even all the tracks on this one, there's still some offscreen and more sorted by group and hidden. 4:30 AM has become a familiar friend. Back to work.
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« Reply #1477 on: May 15th, 2009, 09:59am »

It will make a difference but not one as audible as attack and release time, threshold, etc. It depends on your content material as well. If you're running your whole mix through the side chain it will be more noticeable than just bass. The Waves C1 doesn't even have a knee control...

Speaking of Waves there's this company who's supposed to make plugins that rival the popular Waves plugins. Look for Solera by Flux plugins. I tried it out on a mix pretty quickly and the L2 still kicked its ass but I haven't taken the time to learn all the specialty controls on the Solera. It'd be nice if it actually turned out better sounding mixes than Waves. You can't beat the simplicity of the L2 though.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1478 on: May 15th, 2009, 9:48pm »

on May 13th, 2009, 9:45pm, gavinmac wrote:
What do people think of the original Mbox?

i think ima buy one with PT 7.4 off craigslist.


how bout a pro 2 with pt8?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1479 on: May 15th, 2009, 11:24pm »

on May 14th, 2009, 11:27am, Verdis wrote:
I have 2 questions if anyone wants to answer.

A. in a sidechain, what is the significance of the knee? does it make the compression more smooth? i cant quite hear the difference and its confusing the hell out of me.

B. I've been obsessed with the Sugar Bytes Effectrix and the Unique synth since I found out Siriusmo, Shinichi Osawa, Boys Noize, Modeselektor, Le Castle Vania, exc. all use the same VSTs by Sugar Bytes. I dont know if anyone is "allowed" to answer this question, but does anyone know a good mac torrent of either/both of them? i've been looking forever and to no avail. I would buy it im incredibly broke right now.


www.demonoid.com/files/details/1640459/6976998/

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1480 on: May 16th, 2009, 10:16am »

thank you so much ttime!!! may want to erase the post though so we dont implicate this board in some sort of file sharing issue. I owe you big time (ha... pun). Seriously. Whatever you want whenever.

also, thanks to kyran and todd for answering my knee question. i think i get it now. im going to experiment with it a lot more.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1481 on: May 16th, 2009, 10:22am »

on May 14th, 2009, 11:27am, Verdis wrote:
I have 2 questions if anyone wants to answer.

A. in a sidechain, what is the significance of the knee? does it make the compression more smooth? i cant quite hear the difference and its confusing the hell out of me.

B. I've been obsessed with the Sugar Bytes Effectrix and the Unique synth since I found out Siriusmo, Shinichi Osawa, Boys Noize, Modeselektor, Le Castle Vania, exc. all use the same VSTs by Sugar Bytes. I dont know if anyone is "allowed" to answer this question, but does anyone know a good mac torrent of either/both of them? i've been looking forever and to no avail. I would buy it im incredibly broke right now.


Think of it as putting on the breaks right before compression begins. If you up the knee it will make the transition from 1:1 to 1:whatever you have it set at more gradual... It is more noticeble at higher ratios of compression.
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« Reply #1482 on: May 16th, 2009, 1:23pm »

on May 15th, 2009, 9:48pm, Taylor wrote:
how bout a pro 2 with pt8?



for $250 DEAL!


umm would someone mind briefly explaining the differences between PT LE, M powered and HD?
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« Reply #1483 on: May 16th, 2009, 7:03pm »

on May 16th, 2009, 1:23pm, gavinmac wrote:
for $250 DEAL!


umm would someone mind briefly explaining the differences between PT LE, M powered and HD?


LE works only with digidesign interfaces, M powered only works with M-audio interface, maximum sampling rate on those platforms are 96k

on HD you they give you a PCI-e slot that handles all the pro tools processing
and can sample up to 192k and comes with it's own interfaces that have different sampling rate capabilities
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1484 on: May 19th, 2009, 12:47pm »

Hi I need help.

I want to start making some music, but I don't even know where to start. I just want a synth that has the basics and is affordable. I was thinking a microkorg, since it comes with a mic and vocoder, what do you think? I just want to mess around with it, bring it with me to college, and then move on to something crazier later. Thanks any suggestions as to what synth I should buy is awesome!!
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