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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1560 on: Jun 27th, 2009, 6:22pm »

on Jun 26th, 2009, 6:54pm, Todd wrote:
Isn't Torq a VST host? Why make things harder then they need to be.. load up effectrix and a drum sampler like guru/idrum/battery right in Torq, no? Does that not work? I only had the program for a month or two and hated it so I returned it so I have no idea.

But keep in mind.. straight up.. any kind of crazy rig you can think up in your mind might be perfect in your bedroom and horrible on stage. Anything that can go wrong WILL go wrong. It sucks but you don't want to be dealing with technical bullshit in front of a 1000 people, you know? bout as much fun as pulling your pubes out with some needle nose pliers.

all im trying to say is the less shit you have.. the less wires you got.. the less chance of things going wrong. keep it in mind dude, it's saved my ass plenty of times.

wow, i didnt even think of that. at all. damn. so simple too hah
and yea i know what you mean. its just that ive been djing with my friend for a bit, but the more live we can make it i feel like the more we will get known
im trying to work something out similar to what DJ Enferno is doing, or South Central DJ
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1561 on: Jun 28th, 2009, 2:24pm »

on Jun 26th, 2009, 4:17pm, Luigi46 wrote:
Anyone knows the "normal" price for a Roland Juno-60?
or..if its hard to find one.lol


i see em going for between $500-$700 canadian in toronto. Rarity is somewhat based on where u live.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1562 on: Jun 28th, 2009, 4:59pm »

on Jun 27th, 2009, 6:22pm, 5th wrote:
wow, i didnt even think of that. at all. damn. so simple too hah
and yea i know what you mean. its just that ive been djing with my friend for a bit, but the more live we can make it i feel like the more we will get known
im trying to work something out similar to what DJ Enferno is doing, or South Central DJ


you'll get more shows and more pay by being a better dj, that's all there is to it! it doesn't matter at ALL what you dj with. i've dj'd my last two shows with just serato plugged into my mac.. no turntables/cdjs, nothing. just one usb cable and me hitting some buttons on my macbook hahah.

i know you didn't ask my opinion on this issue but that just reminded me what i used to be like. i used to think if i had more myspace friends, better dj gear, a sexier body, etc. that i would be more succesful. i've just been proven wrong over and over again. the only thing it's about is how good of a musician you are, that's it!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1563 on: Jun 28th, 2009, 11:07pm »

on Jun 28th, 2009, 4:59pm, Todd wrote:
you'll get more shows and more pay by being a better dj, that's all there is to it! it doesn't matter at ALL what you dj with. i've dj'd my last two shows with just serato plugged into my mac.. no turntables/cdjs, nothing. just one usb cable and me hitting some buttons on my macbook hahah.

i know you didn't ask my opinion on this issue but that just reminded me what i used to be like. i used to think if i had more myspace friends, better dj gear, a sexier body, etc. that i would be more succesful. i've just been proven wrong over and over again. the only thing it's about is how good of a musician you are, that's it!


This is all true. If you actually try to be a good musician you'll probably become one. Making the effort to learn and get better is all that's required.

Are you beatmatching using hotkeys? Or using auto sync? Don't think Serato has sync... (maybe new versions?)
I beatmatched two songs using the analog sticks on my ps3 controller as pitch faders once... It's pretty fun using alternate controls.
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on Mar 13th, 2009, 05:06am, TYLER wrote:
EDIT: I JUST REALIZED THIS ISN'T THE WHERE I GO ON MUSHROOMS THREAD.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1564 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 02:39am »

depends on your scene too

i could make 700 dollars a night playing wack top 40 blended in with ADD electro mashed to rap


but like todd said, keep making good music, practice your chops and stay true to yourself
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1565 on: Jul 1st, 2009, 05:12am »

So true.

Practice.

DJing is a music practice like anything else, and this is where you find so many tools who get into it for the wrong reasons or just play any old track.

Read a book, listen to mixes, listen to shit tonnes of music, learn from your peers like you would guitar / instruments.

you may make a good set one week, but dont expect to play that same thing the next week.

You need to listen to ALOT of music, alot of mixes and familirise yourself with labels and the art of mixing to do a good set.

ive noticed good song choice will get you way further than good mixing.

and dont play songs the crowd expects (like get shaky, fkn hell i hate that song) just because its massive, know your place, if your set is good, you'll make people dance regardless.

and dont be put off because of no one is. ive played gigs where its been like "fuck i did an amazing set and no one danced"....whats good about that is that i can do it again at a crowded venue.

being spontaneous is great, but also editing the songs yourself to make them yours is good, find your own style, learn from your mistakes and keep going.

make the best with what you got, you'll be amazed what you can do with minimal equipment, dont make the excuse of going "aw man, i dont have 1000's and a 800" ive seen guys rock in with 1 nano kontrol and ableton complete slay everyone.

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1566 on: Jul 1st, 2009, 5:31pm »

on Jul 1st, 2009, 05:12am, cacophony wrote:
1 nano kontrol

o my goodness i just looked on korgs site and they come in black i think im gonna get one
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« Reply #1567 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 01:33am »

on Jul 1st, 2009, 05:12am, cacophony wrote:
make the best with what you got, you'll be amazed what you can do with minimal equipment, dont make the excuse of going "aw man, i dont have 1000's and a 800" ive seen guys rock in with 1 nano kontrol and ableton complete slay everyone.



that's what robotech (on these forums) does and he's a really good dj live. i have one too and ive tried it out, it's cool but it's definitely not for me. and that's practically what felix cartal does, just uses a different midi controller but it's the same exact shit.

the common factor here is not the equipment or the complexity of the equipment but the skill of the dj. and "skill" in this case is simply being able to pick good tracks and mix them in creative and musical ways.
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« Reply #1568 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 1:19pm »

on Jun 28th, 2009, 4:59pm, Todd wrote:
you'll get more shows and more pay by being a better dj, that's all there is to it! it doesn't matter at ALL what you dj with. i've dj'd my last two shows with just serato plugged into my mac.. no turntables/cdjs, nothing. just one usb cable and me hitting some buttons on my macbook hahah.



Could you describe how you worked this out?

I'm completely new to Serato and am trying to make the progression between primarily physical to electronic hardware (if that makes any sense).
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« Reply #1569 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 1:36pm »

Also I have to agree-the complexity of a musician's instrument will very rarely add to complexity of the musician.

I think it says a lot about someone if they could rock the shit out of a $300 dollar set up and get a party hyped more so than someone with a $3,000 dollar set up.

It sometimes upsets me in this thread that there is so much discussion of gear and programming, etc. whilst there is very little discussion of actually making music (I am not trying to call out anyone on this-this is just an outsider's perspective).

If you're going to pay $500 (but we all know we're going to torrent it anyways) for some sort of DAW software with all these various synth options and instruments but you can barely write a good 3 minute song by itself-what good is that?

I'm not saying that gear is unimportant-but I feel that the balance between equipment and musicality is often neglected here.

Once again-absolutely no hate to anyone here.


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1570 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 3:15pm »

on Jul 2nd, 2009, 1:19pm, Mewithouttwo wrote:


Could you describe how you worked this out?

I'm completely new to Serato and am trying to make the progression between primarily physical to electronic hardware (if that makes any sense).



read the section in the manual regarding internal mode
you can set up cue points and jump to them using the shit key + the number row
or turning on caps lock
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1571 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 8:14pm »

on Jul 2nd, 2009, 3:15pm, Diego De la Vega wrote:
read the section in the manual regarding internal mode
you can set up cue points and jump to them using the shit key + the number row
or turning on caps lock


yeah the shit key is my secret weapon. that and the pee key. and the semi-colon.

hahah too perfect. i hope someone gets this.
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« Reply #1572 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 9:44pm »

Maybe to clarify-let's say I am on the verge of torrenting Serato hahahaha

I've fucked around with my friend's set up of Serato and have liked what I've messed with but at this point I'm trying to DJ merely from my Mac (for giggles and shits, etc.).

What hardware/devices do I need in order to be able to do this (if any) besides Serato itself?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1573 on: Jul 2nd, 2009, 11:51pm »

on Jul 2nd, 2009, 8:14pm, Todd wrote:
yeah the shit key is my secret weapon. that and the pee key. and the semi-colon.

hahah too perfect. i hope someone gets this.


haha, you said "shit", "pee" and "colon" all in the same post!

EDIT: oh, it was intentional...GAY!
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« Reply #1574 on: Jul 3rd, 2009, 01:45am »

on Jul 2nd, 2009, 1:36pm, Mewithouttwo wrote:
Also I have to agree-the complexity of a musician's instrument will very rarely add to complexity of the musician.

I think it says a lot about someone if they could rock the shit out of a $300 dollar set up and get a party hyped more so than someone with a $3,000 dollar set up.

It sometimes upsets me in this thread that there is so much discussion of gear and programming, etc. whilst there is very little discussion of actually making music (I am not trying to call out anyone on this-this is just an outsider's perspective).

If you're going to pay $500 (but we all know we're going to torrent it anyways) for some sort of DAW software with all these various synth options and instruments but you can barely write a good 3 minute song by itself-what good is that?

I'm not saying that gear is unimportant-but I feel that the balance between equipment and musicality is often neglected here.

Once again-absolutely no hate to anyone here.




All in due time, we all make music, it takes time to get a sound going and most of us if not all are amateur.

in electronic music, musicality and equipment go hand in hand. you need to know how your equipment works, you need to know what youd need to get a certain sound out of a track you need to know your synthesis etc

The better you are at production, the better sounding the track. But thats not to say someone jumping on a synthesiser and a drum machine cant rock out.

But this isnt rock music. And it wont be.

Guitar is always simple unless you plan to shred.
when you start shredding, you have to learn a certain amount of stuff in order to do that right? Like, you have to learn how to sweep pick, you have to learn technique etc.
The more you learn about technique and such the more you can do and you write better songs.

I like to refer to technique in EMP as knowledge on gear and experimentation.

And of course, know your shit about scales and modes etc, seriously, dont bypass it because its not necessarily needed here, it fucking helps.
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