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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1575 on: Jul 3rd, 2009, 04:09am »

on Jul 2nd, 2009, 9:44pm, Mewithouttwo wrote:
Maybe to clarify-let's say I am on the verge of torrenting Serato hahahaha

I've fucked around with my friend's set up of Serato and have liked what I've messed with but at this point I'm trying to DJ merely from my Mac (for giggles and shits, etc.).

What hardware/devices do I need in order to be able to do this (if any) besides Serato itself?


you can't torrent serato. in fact, the software is available for free and for anyone on their website. but it's near useless unless you have a serato box to go with it, which is like 600 bucks or however much it is nowadays.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1576 on: Jul 3rd, 2009, 04:44am »

on Jul 3rd, 2009, 04:09am, Todd wrote:
you can't torrent serato. in fact, the software is available for free and for anyone on their website. but it's near useless unless you have a serato box to go with it, which is like 600 bucks or however much it is nowadays.



download serato from scratchlive.net

open itunes and serato at the same time
build your over views so you know the BPMS
now find two songs in the same bpm and let the first one play on itunes

then using the shift keys like a cue on a cdj you can beatmatch two tracks using only itunes and serato
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1577 on: Jul 3rd, 2009, 10:02pm »

on Jul 3rd, 2009, 04:09am, Todd wrote:
you can't torrent serato. in fact, the software is available for free and for anyone on their website. but it's near useless unless you have a serato box to go with it, which is like 600 bucks or however much it is nowadays.


Hahahaha shitttttt

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Thanks for your help though
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1578 on: Jul 4th, 2009, 5:21pm »

Yo, Does anyone know exactly what electroacoustic music is exactly, the reason I'm wondering is that I found this webpage off the Site for Western Washington University, which I'm thinking of applying to when I graduate High School.
It looks like there are courses you can take there where you get to learn production and work in a well equipped. they have a vintage Emu Modular synth, an ARP 2500 and various assorted programs including Reason and Pro tools, which intrigues me.
Though I'm not entirely sure what sort of music you learn to make there, or if it varies, since they talk about both Electronic music and Electroacoustic music. I'ma email them about this.

But anyway, I'm trying to figure out what exactly electroacoustic music. Do any of you guys know?

It'd be awesome to go to school to learn how to produce really well, but if you're expected to produce weird 10 minute long echo-ey washing machine sort of music, I don't think I'd want to do that.

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« Reply #1579 on: Jul 4th, 2009, 9:13pm »

When I hear "electroacoustic" music I usually think of the live manipulation of an electronic device either being played (in the manner in which it is or isn't intended) by some form of a performer/musician
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the composition of music that utilizes alternative playing methods upon electronic instrument (such as a utilizing a live sampler, circuit bending a device, etc).

Composers I can think of off the top of my head that might fall under this genre of music would be Reich, Cage and perhaps Terry Riley.

In my personal opinion, I wouldn't attend a school that is mainly devoted to the field of electroacoustic studies-but instead I'd find a good university in general that offered music classes dabbling within the field.

Hope that could maybe help somehow.
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« Reply #1580 on: Jul 5th, 2009, 2:54pm »

Ah, that's good to know.

I looked into it more, and the WWEAMS, thing is just the name of the studio there, but it doesn't seem to be exclusively for electroacoustic composition, since there are classes you can take with a music major such as Midi Sequencing and notation for composers and Computer Music Seminar that work in the studio, though if you were so inclned you could also take classes about Electroacoustic composition.

Western from what my dad says is sort of a mid-way between Evergreen (The State Hippy College) and the University of Washington (Major Research University).
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1581 on: Jul 5th, 2009, 3:08pm »

on Jul 1st, 2009, 05:12am, cacophony wrote:
make the best with what you got, you'll be amazed what you can do with minimal equipment, dont make the excuse of going "aw man, i dont have 1000's and a 800" ive seen guys rock in with 1 nano kontrol and ableton complete slay everyone.


I see this and I think of someone saying "I saw a man get beat up by a dude in an iron man suit... weird!!!" hahahah

I like serato, sometimes it's nice not to have to launch ableton and get super duper technical and just beat match and have fun, with Ableton I can do anything I want so If I want to sample a certain part, reverse add an automated effect and throw some beats over it... that's why I like DJing with Ableton... There's pretty much nothing that I want to do that I can't

I see it this way... either you pre-edit your tracks and then DJ them... or you live edit your tracks and mix them that way in ableton... either way is good with me...

I recently went through and edited a set in Ableton then exported it so I could DJ it with tables..



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« Reply #1582 on: Jul 5th, 2009, 9:14pm »

A setup I've thought of using if/when I can afford to buy a laptop and controllers is

Ableton

A Uc33e for fading, EQ, Effect tweaking etc
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A Korg Nano Kontrol Pad for launching clips/ Toggling effects on/off
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1583 on: Jul 6th, 2009, 07:04am »

So i'm wondering, when you time stretch a 1 second long, 320kbps sample so that it becomes 3 seconds long, does the bit rate end up being 1/3 of the original sample (107.3kbps)?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1584 on: Jul 6th, 2009, 11:59am »

on Jul 5th, 2009, 9:14pm, Biff wrote:
A setup I've thought of using if/when I can afford to buy a laptop and controllers is

Ableton

A Uc33e for fading, EQ, Effect tweaking etc
and
A Korg Nano Kontrol Pad for launching clips/ Toggling effects on/off


I've found through trial and error after sometime that it's best (at least for me) to output 2 channel into a mixer and use the mixers EQs to control Lo, Mid, Hi just like you would if you had 2 tables...

It keeps it consistent so when you DJ with other people or go from Club to Club, or switch to using Serato you are fluid... I used to do everything internal but with a microkorg control you run out of controls fast....

I usually split my sets into left hand side and right hand side... so for example I'll have Decks A, B, C go to channel 1 and Decks D, E, F go to channel 2... and they mirror one another

decks C, D I have tracks
decks B, E I have percussion, beats, audio clips, samples of the tracks i'm about to mix into
decks A, F I have dummy clips controlling whatever

with Ableton 8 you can group them now and it makes it even nicer cause you can launch all 3 at the same time without affecting the whole scene so you can get extremely creative as far as timed effects...

about to add a 4th column with video parameters for a light show i'm developing, we'll see how it comes out





there are a millions ways to set it up of course, so yeah man whatever works for you obviously... Take a look @ TomCosms mega set for an example of a unique Live set setup...

I wish I could get my hands on the Daft Punk live set... god that would be so rad...
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1585 on: Jul 6th, 2009, 1:44pm »

on Jul 6th, 2009, 07:04am, gavinmac wrote:
So i'm wondering, when you time stretch a 1 second long, 320kbps sample so that it becomes 3 seconds long, does the bit rate end up being 1/3 of the original sample (107.3kbps)?

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1586 on: Jul 6th, 2009, 9:12pm »

on Jul 6th, 2009, 07:04am, gavinmac wrote:
So i'm wondering, when you time stretch a 1 second long, 320kbps sample so that it becomes 3 seconds long, does the bit rate end up being 1/3 of the original sample (107.3kbps)?

I think essentially, yes. Not sure what the Serato/Traktor/Ableton/PT/etc. algorithms do exactly though so I can't say for sure. If it cloned/stretched samples then technically it would be playing back at 320 but only 1 out of every 3 bits would be original.
Just my educated guess.
It'd be nice to know for sure but I'd imagine no one would give away the secret to their time stretching algorithms.
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« Reply #1587 on: Jul 7th, 2009, 08:50am »

on Jul 6th, 2009, 9:12pm, Kyran wrote:
I think essentially, yes. Not sure what the Serato/Traktor/Ableton/PT/etc. algorithms do exactly though so I can't say for sure. If it cloned/stretched samples then technically it would be playing back at 320 but only 1 out of every 3 bits would be original.
Just my educated guess.
It'd be nice to know for sure but I'd imagine no one would give away the secret to their time stretching algorithms.


I think you are confusing Sample Rate with Bit Rate. The Sample Rate is the temporal component of digital audio, how many times per second a continuous sound wave is sampled and encoded. The Bit Rate determines the accuracy of each of these samples.

So, say you have a 1 second sound at a bit rate of 320kbps and a sample rate of 44.1Khz (CD Audio). When you time stretch this to 3 seconds you are just increasing the spaces between each of the 44,100 samples. They are still encoded at the same bit rate of 320kpbs, but the sample rate is now effectively 14.7khz. This is where each program's own time stretching algorithm comes in, filling in the gaps between the spaced apart samples.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1588 on: Jul 7th, 2009, 2:24pm »

does anyone on here use ableton live 8? i was just wondering if its stable enough to make the switch over
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1589 on: Jul 7th, 2009, 7:14pm »

on Jul 7th, 2009, 2:24pm, LukeSwits wrote:
does anyone on here use ableton live 8? i was just wondering if its stable enough to make the switch over


yeah i haven't had any problems with it in a while... make sure you back up your projects though cause once you convert them to live 8 you cannot use them in prior versions of live... totally weak I think
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