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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1605 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 10:19am »

so yea new to the forums,
I'm Adam/19/M/Knox, TN
i love ganja and electronica. recently ive had the burning desire to create some of the music is so dearly love and began researching how to do so. one thing led to another and i found these wonderful forums full of invaluable information contributed by members that have experienced what I myself now hope to experience.
I purchased an edirol pcr-500 and plan to download reason 4.0 and protools (or ableton)?
does this seem sufficient to begin my music making or do i lack necessary equipment/software?
THANKS!!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1606 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 11:05am »

I use Ableton, and whenever I send my tracks to itunes, the sound is very quiet and sometimes doesn't sound too good. How can I change this?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1607 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 11:07am »

when you record a DJ mix can the levels clip a little bit? or is there suppose to be no clipping at all like zip, zilch, nada?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1608 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 11:43am »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 11:07am, LukeSwits wrote:
when you record a DJ mix can the levels clip a little bit? or is there suppose to be no clipping at all like zip, zilch, nada?


Um I'd say in the club a little clipping is ok you know cause no one is going to remember or really be able to tell with a just a little... but you want it to be as loud as possible without any clipping... it's a form of distortion so it's not a source of good quality sound...

"When an amplifier is pushed to create a signal with more power than its power supply can produce, it will amplify the signal only up to its maximum capacity, at which point the signal will be amplified no further. As the signal simply "cuts" or "clips" at the maximum capacity of the amplifier, the signal is said to be "clipping". The extra signal which is beyond the capability of the amplifier is simply cut off, resulting in a sine wave becoming a distorted square wave type waveform." - wikipedia

are you arranging the mix inside ableton or doing it live and recording into garageband or something like that?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1609 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 12:56pm »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 10:19am, electro420 wrote:
I purchased an edirol pcr-500 and plan to download reason 4.0 and protools (or ableton)?
does this seem sufficient to begin my music making or do i lack necessary equipment/software?
THANKS!!
-A

Can't download Pro Tools unless you have a Digidesign/M Audio interface. Instead look into Propellerheads' own Record, Ableton, Reaper, or maybe Cubase.


I usually clip the outputs a bit whenever I've recorded a mix but Traktor has a built in limiter so it's not the same as hard clipping. I'd say depending on what software you're mixing with, use your ears to determine how much clipping, if any, is acceptable. Also, you might want to look into putting a limiter on your master out (routing into Ableton if necessary) so you can drive more dynamic songs a bit harder to fill up space.


Eldoogle, your problem is mixing and mastering. Welcome to hell. You're gonna spend years of your life probably trying to improve this.
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on Mar 13th, 2009, 05:06am, TYLER wrote:
EDIT: I JUST REALIZED THIS ISN'T THE WHERE I GO ON MUSHROOMS THREAD.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1610 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 1:19pm »

im using traktor right now and i dont hear any hard clipping when the mix is coming out of my monitors but when i recorded the set it had a lot of distortion. i'm guessing i should lower the volume on the master channel and the gain level on the recorder.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1611 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 2:22pm »

on Jul 12th, 2009, 6:37pm, Kyran wrote:
He likes high passing saw waves or layering high freq content waves over lower low passed fundamental tones. You could use a band reject filter with a wide ass Q but it would probably be better to run a saw wave into a low pass and then add on a high frequency/highpassed waveform on top, that bypasses the lowpass filter.
I think he splits his synths on a lot of his productions. I'm listening to Noize right now and it sounds like he's only kicking in the FM in on a midrange oscillator, keeping the bass clean.

In one word: Layering. You probably won't get a similar sound with a single oscillator. He's a monster producer so good luck approximating his style (for learning purposes obviously, don't be a loser and steal his shit)
You'll want an FM synth and a nice distortion unit. FM8 and Ohmicide would probably give you those raw sounds. Get a few different cool sounds and automate between them


i recreated the synth in noize perfectly using one 50/50 saw/square wave in mono panned dead center (like it is in the song the whole time). just a little bit of a bitcrusher and resonance, other than that it's completely plain. we should both post our mp3s so we can all dissect em and learn from both of them, there's probably more than one way to do it.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1612 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 7:01pm »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 1:19pm, LukeSwits wrote:
im using traktor right now and i dont hear any hard clipping when the mix is coming out of my monitors but when i recorded the set it had a lot of distortion. i'm guessing i should lower the volume on the master channel and the gain level on the recorder.

dude i have this problem too

like i was mixing "wake up" and during the second buildup the kicks sounded fine off of my monitors but when i played it on audacity, the kicks were sounding like "square" and stuff if you know what i mean
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1613 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 7:10pm »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 1:19pm, LukeSwits wrote:
im using traktor right now and i dont hear any hard clipping when the mix is coming out of my monitors but when i recorded the set it had a lot of distortion. i'm guessing i should lower the volume on the master channel and the gain level on the recorder.


are you staying digital or going digital - analog - back to digital?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1614 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 8:24pm »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 7:10pm, robotech wrote:
are you staying digital or going digital - analog - back to digital?


digital. all im using is a uc33 and an axiom with my sound card hooking up to monitors.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1615 on: Jul 13th, 2009, 9:33pm »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 2:22pm, Todd wrote:
i recreated the synth in noize perfectly using one 50/50 saw/square wave in mono panned dead center (like it is in the song the whole time). just a little bit of a bitcrusher and resonance, other than that it's completely plain. we should both post our mp3s so we can all dissect em and learn from both of them, there's probably more than one way to do it.

Yeah a bit crusher and resonance would give you the same high harmonics.
I didn't actually make a patch, I just went by what it sounded like. Maybe we should all try to recreate it, then upload our patches for people to download and reverse engineer.
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on Mar 13th, 2009, 05:06am, TYLER wrote:
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1616 on: Jul 14th, 2009, 1:36pm »

on Jul 13th, 2009, 09:12am, robotech wrote:
Kyran is right on the money + also try analyzing your track with a spectrogram and look at which frequencies you're missing... then find audio in that range and add... or boost those frequencies a bit... I uploaded a link with the CM Mixing special a couple pages back, read it and it will help you A LOT



Many thanks both to Kyran and yourself.

I've began tweaking with the reverb and echo with a few of my songs and already the mixing seems a little more clear/smooth.

Is there anywhere you'd recommend that I could download a spectogram for Mac OS X?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1617 on: Jul 14th, 2009, 6:32pm »

on Jul 14th, 2009, 1:36pm, Mewithouttwo wrote:
Many thanks both to Kyran and yourself.

I've began tweaking with the reverb and echo with a few of my songs and already the mixing seems a little more clear/smooth.

Is there anywhere you'd recommend that I could download a spectogram for Mac OS X?


if you're using ableton you can use the spectrum plugin that comes with it
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1618 on: Jul 14th, 2009, 7:49pm »

Unfortunately I'm kind of working on a hybrid between Logic and Garageband.

And to all who are interested and concerned, I've posted a song I'm having some trouble with in the swap section.

Any suggestions as far as composition/mixing/anything are greatly appreciated.

All of my experience is really in semi-classical and I suppose indie song-writing so composing for dance/house music is a new frontier for me-so I appreciate any and all advice anyone has to offer.

Thanks once again.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1619 on: Jul 14th, 2009, 9:24pm »

I tried to read most of these pages for my answer, though I thought maybe someone would have some insight.

I have learned Ableton through some tutorial videos, so I understand the DAW. My problem is where do I go from here? I have basically no musicical background. Should I learn music theory or the basics of it? Take piano lessons? After that should I learn about synthesis? I've been jumping around between topics trying to get a feel but it feels like I'm not doing it right.

I'm just not sure what steps would be the best priority to make everything enjoyable and the most sense. Any help would be great! Also sorry if this has been posted before in this thread!
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