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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1620 on: Jul 15th, 2009, 12:05am »

on Jul 14th, 2009, 9:24pm, bdk wrote:
I tried to read most of these pages for my answer, though I thought maybe someone would have some insight.

I have learned Ableton through some tutorial videos, so I understand the DAW. My problem is where do I go from here? I have basically no musicical background. Should I learn music theory or the basics of it? Take piano lessons? After that should I learn about synthesis? I've been jumping around between topics trying to get a feel but it feels like I'm not doing it right.

I'm just not sure what steps would be the best priority to make everything enjoyable and the most sense. Any help would be great! Also sorry if this has been posted before in this thread!


yea all that stuff will help
heres some shit i found that helped me
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=future+music+interview&aq=0&oq=future+music+inter
http://www.duttyartz.com/2009/rusko-on-how-to-make-dubstep/
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=In+The+Studio+with+Steve+Angello&hl=en&emb=0#q=%22In+The+Studio+with+Steve+Angello%22&hl=en&emb=0&filter=0&start=0
http://www.trance.nu/v4/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1971609
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/2288/index.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtractive_synthesis
http://www.tenthegg.co.uk/tips/archive/
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=14797&sid=dd999b3ada546b8f6835feedeec5d94d
http://mstrkrft.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1198122244
http://blog.pandora.com/archives/podcast/2007/08/synthesis.html
http://www.apassion4jazz.net/keys.html
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:xMMfHWyl6mgJ:https://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3D6c75209490824ccbe015b511e426d55d%26postid%3D9349543+fm8+tutorials&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=11466

i just copy pasted a list i had for my friend so thats y like this thread is in there lol
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1621 on: Jul 15th, 2009, 07:35am »

on Jul 14th, 2009, 9:24pm, bdk wrote:
I tried to read most of these pages for my answer, though I thought maybe someone would have some insight.

I have learned Ableton through some tutorial videos, so I understand the DAW. My problem is where do I go from here? I have basically no musicical background. Should I learn music theory or the basics of it? Take piano lessons? After that should I learn about synthesis? I've been jumping around between topics trying to get a feel but it feels like I'm not doing it right.

I'm just not sure what steps would be the best priority to make everything enjoyable and the most sense. Any help would be great! Also sorry if this has been posted before in this thread!


i'd learn about synthesis first before you dive into music theory and piano. or learn both at the same time. you dont need to be great at piano to produce. you can just use an arp or just use ur ears to make a simple bassline or lead riff on the piano.

http://www.youtube.com/user/luckydatevideos

check out that guys youtube channel. hes got a lot of good videos on how to make some familiar sounds in electro music. i think the best way to pick up synthesis is to just start at the beginning with the basics. know what the oscillator does, then what an envelope is, then all the different kinds of filters.
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« Reply #1622 on: Jul 15th, 2009, 11:53am »

Yeah synthesis is important but so is theory. Of course you can get by without both as Steve Angello demonstrated in the first video posted above. He flips through synth presets, records a bassline, then spends ten minutes quantizing it to 16th notes wondering why it doesn't sound right when he should have used dotted eighths or triple halfs.

A good guide to go by would be to learn enough so you don't look like a noob if Future Music ever wants to tour your studio.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1623 on: Jul 15th, 2009, 11:59am »

Awesome, thanks for the help. Keep it coming if you have more!
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« Reply #1624 on: Jul 15th, 2009, 12:41pm »

on Jul 15th, 2009, 11:53am, Kyran wrote:
Yeah synthesis is important but so is theory. Of course you can get by without both as Steve Angello demonstrated in the first video posted above. He flips through synth presets, records a bassline, then spends ten minutes quantizing it to 16th notes wondering why it doesn't sound right when he should have used dotted eighths or triple halfs.

A good guide to go by would be to learn enough so you don't look like a noob if Future Music ever wants to tour your studio.


yeah i actually just watched that from the link he posted and i was shocked to see steve angelo using presets for his bassline.
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« Reply #1625 on: Jul 15th, 2009, 1:07pm »

yea a lot of producers do i think its sort of sad really brutal electro from massive is a really common one lol. even a bloody beetroots song has it
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« Reply #1626 on: Jul 16th, 2009, 09:09am »

i spent some time reading this. i found it pretty helpful and reasonably short.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov04/articles/darrentate.htm
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« Reply #1627 on: Jul 16th, 2009, 11:18am »

http://www.soundonsound.com/search?section=%2F&Keyword=synth+secrets
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« Reply #1628 on: Jul 17th, 2009, 12:24pm »

So I was building a new drum kit for a track I started and I was looking for some cool drum kit tricks... I stumbled across this compression video and I have a question about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGO5uQc670

@51 seconds he says "with drum and bass kick drums you don't want them to go that low below 80hz because it'll start interfering with the sub..." "you'll have problems with the mix down"

So what I'm guessing is that he's got a sub bass synth setting or some kind of sound kicking below 80hz? is that so? what are the advantages to adding sub bass to a kick drum? I'm guessing that it allows you to have a nice tight kick drum with bite and also have a lot of bass? I'm I totally wrong?



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« Reply #1629 on: Jul 17th, 2009, 4:31pm »

on Jul 17th, 2009, 12:24pm, robotech wrote:
So I was building a new drum kit for a track I started and I was looking for some cool drum kit tricks... I stumbled across this compression video and I have a question about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGO5uQc670

@51 seconds he says "with drum and bass kick drums you don't want them to go that low below 80hz because it'll start interfering with the sub..." "you'll have problems with the mix down"

So what I'm guessing is that he's got a sub bass synth setting or some kind of sound kicking below 80hz? is that so? what are the advantages to adding sub bass to a kick drum? I'm guessing that it allows you to have a nice tight kick drum with bite and also have a lot of bass? I'm I totally wrong?





no no dude.. different styles of dance music put different emphasis on what's more important, the kick or the lead/bass. In dnb the lead synth is more important than the kick so he's saying save those sub frequencies for the lead by choosing a kick sample that doesn't have a ton going on below 80. You'd do the opposite with techno where you'd have a gigantic sub heavy kick and a thin lead with not a ton of bass. Bass frequencies get cluttered easily so you really only want one main thing going on down there below 80 or so.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1630 on: Jul 17th, 2009, 8:23pm »

i remember watching the steve angello one a long time ago and wanting to shoot him for not quantitizing using triplets and wasting like 10 minutes of my time
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« Reply #1631 on: Jul 17th, 2009, 10:19pm »

Like Todd said, different emphasis for different styles. For DnB, Dubstep, deeper House, etc. the bass goes below the frequency spectrum of the kick. Sometimes it's just a phat ass bass with a scoop cut out of it in the kick drum's range, but I find it's cleaner if you double the bass on a sub oscillator (say two octaves lower, with the kick taking up the octave directly below the main bass)
Your spectrum would look like this: (from lowest frequencies to highest)
Subbass // Kick // Bass // Snare and Midrange Instruments // Percussion // Supersonic Resonances Used For Hypnosis

I think you were thinking of a sub kick, which would just be a sub oscillator that plays with the kick to make it deeper and fill out the subs. Also a valid technique depending on style.

on Jul 17th, 2009, 8:23pm, Taylor wrote:
i remember watching the steve angello one a long time ago and wanting to shoot him for not quantitizing using triplets and wasting like 10 minutes of my time


Man I know I was like "Just fucking get it already! You've already tried straight 16ths five times!" Random guesses would have got it quicker.
I don't know if that means I can become a famous producer without needing alot of musical knowledge... And if it does I don't know how to feel about it. I'd probably rather work harder to be smarter and more creative than everyone else and have the payoff be not having to compete with a bunch of nubs who just got big by noodling.
I think the secret is in his grease ponytail... which I could probably pull off, cause my hair's long enough.



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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1632 on: Jul 18th, 2009, 03:44am »

bald or balding hairstyle
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« Reply #1633 on: Jul 18th, 2009, 12:22pm »

on Jul 17th, 2009, 10:19pm, Kyran wrote:
Next topic in Making Electronic Music: Which hairstyle leads to the most productivity?


gotta have the mustache

but bald or balding would help cuz less time spent in the shower
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1634 on: Jul 19th, 2009, 6:00pm »

Here are some tried and true electro hair styles

The Many Hairstyles of electronic music

Bald/shaved


D.I.M.


Fake Blood


Krazy Baldhead (Of Course)


Phra of Crookers

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Curls


Gaspard of Justice


Dirty Disco Youth

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Slick dark hair


Surkin


SebastiAn


Felix Cartal


Xavier of Justice


A-trak


Laidback Luke


JFK

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Faux-hawk mullet hybrid


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