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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1830 on: Nov 17th, 2009, 7:35pm »

on Nov 17th, 2009, 12:49am, Todd wrote:
Hmm well if you got a good deal on them think about keepin em. There are lots of service centers for them and I think motors are like 50 bucks. Pitch faders you can clean yourself with enough time.. but if the deal was so-so take em back and try again, they're always on craigs anyway.

And about that dude, I couldn't care less. I'm trying to get to 16 by summer anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxxPLDZnqwA

Go ahead and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is bitch!

hah nice.
and i think once i get the money back im just going to get two new mk5 1210's
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1831 on: Nov 18th, 2009, 12:29pm »

I hate to be this guy, but,

I am a huge fan of Etienne De Crecy. In general I think his sound is so unique. Anyways in one of his tracks called "Fast Track" there's an awesome little stutter/buildup sound.

1:42 that little stutter sweep. I love it. How do i make it... I hear a reverb/filter sweep... but the little stutter...?? it's more than just a repeat... can't seem to recreate it. :/

Etienne de Crecy - Fast Track (Vocal mix).mp3



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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1832 on: Nov 18th, 2009, 1:46pm »

on Nov 18th, 2009, 12:29pm, Mauricio wrote:
I hate to be this guy, but,

I am a huge fan of Etienne De Crecy. In general I think his sound is so unique. Anyways in one of his tracks called "Fast Track" there's an awesome little stutter/buildup sound.

1:42 that little stutter sweep. I love it. How do i make it... I hear a reverb/filter sweep... but the little stutter...?? it's more than just a repeat... can't seem to recreate it. :/

Etienne de Crecy - Fast Track (Vocal mix).mp3





don't worry about being "that guy"! I expect to be able to post here and try and find sounds. plus your helping a ton of people.

its definitely a filter sweep. maybe the stutter is from a precisely automated gate effect? have you tried that?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1833 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 01:58am »

on Nov 16th, 2009, 5:57pm, Todd wrote:
He was being sarcastic. He doesn't like me.


i dont dislike you, i was just making fun of how quick you were to discredit everything verdis was saying. in other words, i was making a point.

edit: @5th does it really seem like i have something against todd? if so, i apologize because im not really trying to target him, i was seriously just joking. i know he's a good producer. but that doesn't mean that verdis's opinion about something is immediately wrong. besides, im pretty sure ive made fun of a lot of people on this board by now (calling them fools, ignoramuses, stereotyping suneal, etc.)
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1834 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 1:56pm »

on Nov 18th, 2009, 1:46pm, TYLER wrote:
don't worry about being "that guy"! I expect to be able to post here and try and find sounds. plus your helping a ton of people.

its definitely a filter sweep. maybe the stutter is from a precisely automated gate effect? have you tried that?


Thanks Tyler, I'll try that when I get home... The gate is a great idea I will try it.. for some reason I never think of gates... I use them on my drums all the time but never as an effect...
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1835 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 5:40pm »

on Nov 17th, 2009, 12:09am, 5th wrote:
ttime, just as a question, i dont post enough to have beef with anyone off the boards and i dont want any, but what gives you the right to be on todds ass all the time?


If you read between the lines, I thought he made it clear that he is genuinely jealous of Todd's superb production skills. Have you heard the things that man can do with a buchla200? I have, and it changed my perception of music entirely, in the way that one might hear Michael Jackson or Queen for the first time. Todd truly represents the best of us here on the MSTRKRFT forum, and I salute him.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1836 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 5:57pm »

on Nov 9th, 2009, 12:51pm, Mauricio wrote:
If you don't know Ableton much already then use Audacity... things will get much more complicated in Ableton but when you have more time learn to use Ableton cause it's great for making DJ edits of songs...

In audacity just highlight the are and go to effects and reverse... it's that simple...



If I only have MP3's off beatport, should I use Audacity to make DJ edits? I WANT to use ableton to edit, cause i like the interface and want to learn the program. BUT I have heard that transporting an mp3 into ableton then editing it will make the finished product sound like shit, so I am stuck with Audacity if I don't want to lose sound quality.

Looking for a confirmation here, is this how it is?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1837 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 6:42pm »

on Nov 19th, 2009, 5:57pm, Redblue wrote:
If I only have MP3's off beatport, should I use Audacity to make DJ edits? I WANT to use ableton to edit, cause i like the interface and want to learn the program. BUT I have heard that transporting an mp3 into ableton then editing it will make the finished product sound like shit, so I am stuck with Audacity if I don't want to lose sound quality.

Looking for a confirmation here, is this how it is?


In actuality, it's the usage of the mp3 format itself that's causing audio loss. Try finding a .wav (or even better, a .flac) file to use and you won't have to worry about losing audio quality in your ableton edits.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1838 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 7:24pm »

Aw man thats too bad.... considering WAVs are 1.5 times the price =/
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1839 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 7:46pm »

on Nov 19th, 2009, 7:24pm, Redblue wrote:
Aw man thats too bad.... considering WAVs are 1.5 times the price =/


Okay to clear up a little confusion.

When you load an .mp3 file into Ableton it will decode the file to a .wav file inside Ableton's Decoding Cache...

Let's say you have a 320kbps .mp3 and you decode it to .wav....

you take a 320kbps file and make it a 1411kbps file... but the extra data is essentially empty... This does not degrade the 320kpbs you already have though...

So it's perfectly okay to take the 320kbps file and encode to .wav... edit and export as .wav...

Now it's the process of RE Encoding to .mp3 that you might run into trouble. But not necessarily if done correctly. A great place for Audio quality questions encoding etc are the Hydrogen Audio Forums. Take a look there.

A second point of this whole "if you edit in Ableton" it may sound like shit myth is improper/ warping.

If you push any track past it's native BPM you will get "loss" of sound quality... again this is kinda complicated but there are options for warping... The re-pitch option in Ableton will work like turn tables do and will maintain the highest "quality" but you can use complex or complex pro to push and not lose sound quality...

So if you plan to keep the song at the native BPM load into Ableton... Warp properly.... and export... your song will sound the same as it did when you upload it...

With some proper efx on your master channel... a little bit of vintage warmer here and there it might actually sound a little better...
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1840 on: Nov 19th, 2009, 9:17pm »

on Nov 19th, 2009, 6:42pm, Greased Egg wrote:
In actuality, it's the usage of the mp3 format itself that's causing audio loss. Try finding a .wav (or even better, a .flac) file to use and you won't have to worry about losing audio quality in your ableton edits.


.flac has a lower bitrate than .wav

1000 to 1411

EDIT: I was wrong on this...
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« Reply #1841 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 12:01am »

on Nov 19th, 2009, 9:17pm, Mauricio wrote:
.flac has a lower bitrate than .wav

1000 to 1411


You might want to check your audio encoding software, that shouldn't be. Are you using a program to export your FLAC files into iTunes and get a bitrate reading? FLAC has no bitrate, seeing as it's "lossless audio." Here's some more detailed info if you're interested: http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__lowest_bitrate
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1842 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 08:26am »

on Nov 19th, 2009, 9:17pm, Mauricio wrote:
.flac has a lower bitrate than .wav

1000 to 1411


A FLAC and Wave file are exactly identical, there is no difference between the two except file size. It's the exact same thing as zipping or raring a folder up, exact same contents inside, one is just smaller. The bitrate does not matter.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1843 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 10:21am »

on Nov 20th, 2009, 12:01am, Greased Egg wrote:
You might want to check your audio encoding software, that shouldn't be. Are you using a program to export your FLAC files into iTunes and get a bitrate reading? FLAC has no bitrate, seeing as it's "lossless audio." Here's some more detailed info if you're interested: http://flac.sourceforge.net/faq.html#general__lowest_bitrate

you're totally right. I went back and looked. It had been. Long time since I read up on it my bad.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1844 on: Nov 20th, 2009, 10:28am »

on Nov 20th, 2009, 08:26am, Todd wrote:
A FLAC and Wave file are exactly identical, there is no difference between the two except file size. It's the exact same thing as zipping or raring a folder up, exact same contents inside, one is just smaller. The bitrate does not matter.


just read their wiki. My bad.
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