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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1980 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 12:06am »

on Jan 10th, 2010, 11:57pm, Todd wrote:
anything in the $250 or less range is going to sound like its coming out of a bums asshole


Ohhhhh man there are sooooo many sexual innuendoes Im holding back after that one...
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1981 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 08:45am »

on Jan 10th, 2010, 10:22pm, Verdis wrote:
Hey ya'll

Just worked my ass off during the break and now im back at home and I realized I need monitors more than anything. Im trying to stay around the $250 or less range but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions or good ebay/los angeles craigslist finds as of late. Any thoughts? I wanted to try to buy used b/c i thought i'd get a better deal.

Also, I want to stay away from the lower priced KRK 6s, they make everything sound like its coming out of a bums asshole.


I bought a pair of Mackie MR8's a while back for about 600 bucks taxes in (you can find them for around 250 each online). They are pretty good for the price. The high and mid range frequencies are represented well but they are a little heavy on the bass and low end stuff. They are also fucking huge so make sure you have enough desktop space if you get them.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1982 on: Jan 11th, 2010, 09:36am »

Yeah i should have clarified that i dont have much desk space to work with... Im not looking for anything super crazy. I master on Grado SR-80s right now so anything would be better than my current situation. I have a really limited budget because I'm kinda poor right now.

To give you an idea of what im talking about, these were a possibility
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/ele/1537439809.html

Unless anyone has something bad to say about the M-Audio Studiophile series.

Im also watching these Mackies on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220537745664&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_3102wt_1167
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1983 on: Jan 12th, 2010, 2:20pm »

I'm trying to find waves plug-ins for mac. I've searched all over with no luck. Also with proaudiotorrents... nothing in there for mac. I found one diamond bundle for mac but its old and I don't think works for my new mac. Does anybody know where to get WAVES FOR MAC?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1984 on: Jan 12th, 2010, 4:37pm »

on Jan 12th, 2010, 2:20pm, olimaxwell wrote:
I'm trying to find waves plug-ins for mac. I've searched all over with no luck. Also with proaudiotorrents... nothing in there for mac. I found one diamond bundle for mac but its old and I don't think works for my new mac. Does anybody know where to get WAVES FOR MAC?


i dont really use waves, but is this what you were looking for? took me like 5 seconds to find, btw

http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3344711
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1985 on: Jan 12th, 2010, 4:53pm »

on Jan 12th, 2010, 2:20pm, olimaxwell wrote:
I'm trying to find waves plug-ins for mac. I've searched all over with no luck. Also with proaudiotorrents... nothing in there for mac. I found one diamond bundle for mac but its old and I don't think works for my new mac. Does anybody know where to get WAVES FOR MAC?


ttime thats the one he said he found thats old.

Looks like you will just have to go with the older version. I looked for the torrent and couldnt find one either. I suggest posting a "Request" on pro audio torrents.

This is the only thing I found. Its a tutorial I think, so for anyone who wants this since I found it, go at it
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4197013/Production_Mixing_And_Mastering_With_Waves_(PC__amp__MAC)
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1986 on: Jan 12th, 2010, 5:33pm »

waves is only cracked for PPC mac.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1987 on: Jan 13th, 2010, 01:21am »

on Jan 12th, 2010, 4:53pm, The_IRA wrote:
ttime thats the one he said he found thats old.



oh snap lol, my bad, i read his post too quickly >_<

yeah i guess i should've known if it's not on proaudiotorrents, they pretty much have everything.

edit: i hate to say this, but unless you want to wait for the new version to get cracked, you might just have to buy it
it sucks, but sometimes there is no other option. if i were you i would go with the older version for now.

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« Reply #1988 on: Jan 13th, 2010, 01:37am »

on Jan 13th, 2010, 01:21am, ttime wrote:
oh snap lol, my bad, i read his post too quickly >_<

yeah i guess i should've known if it's not on proaudiotorrents, they pretty much have everything.

edit: i hate to say this, but unless you want to wait for the new version to get cracked, you might just have to buy it
it sucks, but sometimes there is no other option. if i were you i would go with the older version for now.



Or the next best bet, use other plugins that you can find torrents for that do what Waves does.

What specifically did you want to use Waves for?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1989 on: Jan 14th, 2010, 4:31pm »

How do you know when a track is properly mixed (by ear/ in a DAW), Lately I've been trying to get good mixdowns of songs I've made and have had little to nothing in the way of actual good results.

I've read several guides on the subject about getting each sound in its own sonic space and using a good ammount of compression on things to not using compression hardly at all etc. etc.

The only times I can really tell when one of my tracks isn't mixed properly is when I play it alongside a professionally produced track and the differences jump right out at you, but even then, I can only get a very general idea of what's wrong with the mix such as "bass is weak"or "sounds muffled" or "hi-hats are clipping"etc.

Then when I go back, I end up making a very general change since I don't know where I should be going or what I should be hearing (I should probably save up for a pair of studio monitors or headphones I guess, though I'm 15 and have no job) and upon listening to it again, "Yes the bass is fuller, but now my speakers are vibrating from it and it still sounds bad". So I go back and try to do something and then just get discouraged and go do something else for the rest of the day.

But yeah, When do you really know when a track is properly mixed?

Whenever I listen to a track in the DAW itself, unless I've done something to it or I have the levels too high, it usually sounds fine to me, even though I know it isn't. How can you hear when something is off or mixed improperly?

Is it a matter of going track by track and getting everything just right?

Will Studio monitors help my situation at all?

Graaaaugh!!!!!!! So tedious and confusing.
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« Reply #1990 on: Jan 14th, 2010, 5:26pm »

on Jan 12th, 2010, 2:20pm, olimaxwell wrote:
I'm trying to find waves plug-ins for mac. I've searched all over with no luck. Also with proaudiotorrents... nothing in there for mac. I found one diamond bundle for mac but its old and I don't think works for my new mac. Does anybody know where to get WAVES FOR MAC?


i dont know what torrent engine you use but i reccommend using Vuze. its a torrent engine specifically for macs (i have one myself) but i didnt search what you were looking for and pirate bay is one of their sources.

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1991 on: Jan 14th, 2010, 6:38pm »

on Jan 14th, 2010, 5:26pm, 130BPMZ wrote:
i dont know what torrent engine you use but i reccommend using Vuze. its a torrent engine specifically for macs (i have one myself) but i didnt search what you were looking for and pirate bay is one of their sources.

best of luck..


if i may interject, i've used vuze with little luck, i guess its opinion based anyway which one is better (then again i used vuze a really long time ago so maybe its been updated and ameliorated since then). anyway if vuze doesn't work well i strongly recommend transmission. it's really stable and easy to use.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1992 on: Jan 14th, 2010, 9:49pm »

isohunt.com is also good with alot of sources but it may bring up demos.
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« Reply #1993 on: Jan 15th, 2010, 2:10pm »

on Jan 14th, 2010, 4:31pm, Biff wrote:
How do you know when a track is properly mixed (by ear/ in a DAW), Lately I've been trying to get good mixdowns of songs I've made and have had little to nothing in the way of actual good results.

I've read several guides on the subject about getting each sound in its own sonic space and using a good ammount of compression on things to not using compression hardly at all etc. etc.

The only times I can really tell when one of my tracks isn't mixed properly is when I play it alongside a professionally produced track and the differences jump right out at you, but even then, I can only get a very general idea of what's wrong with the mix such as "bass is weak"or "sounds muffled" or "hi-hats are clipping"etc.

Then when I go back, I end up making a very general change since I don't know where I should be going or what I should be hearing (I should probably save up for a pair of studio monitors or headphones I guess, though I'm 15 and have no job) and upon listening to it again, "Yes the bass is fuller, but now my speakers are vibrating from it and it still sounds bad". So I go back and try to do something and then just get discouraged and go do something else for the rest of the day.

But yeah, When do you really know when a track is properly mixed?

Whenever I listen to a track in the DAW itself, unless I've done something to it or I have the levels too high, it usually sounds fine to me, even though I know it isn't. How can you hear when something is off or mixed improperly?

Is it a matter of going track by track and getting everything just right?

Will Studio monitors help my situation at all?

Graaaaugh!!!!!!! So tedious and confusing.


there's no step-by-step formula for getting a good mixdown. it's all about your ears. that being said, maybe i can address some of your more specific examples with some tips you could apply to a broader range of problems:

use compressors when you need to reduce the dynamic range of a piece. if a vocal or synth line is all over the place volume wise, compress it. don't just slap a preset compressor on there, either. learn how they work and what they're for.

when making house or electro, it's not uncommon or bad practice to work with compression on the mix bus. don't overdo it though. a compressor can get a mix to gel and pump nicely, but don't destroy your mix. the mastering engineer (or you) can apply more compression later.

giving your sounds their own space in the mix is indeed important, especially in the bottom end. make sure your bass and kick are peaking at different frequencies. if you can't hear something well, sweep for the frequency you want to bring out and give it a boost. make sure nothing else is peaking at that frequency.

but EQ isn't everything. panning is more important than people often realize. give your elements breathing room not only up and down (frequencies) but also left and right. if you don't know where to go, listen to how elements are panned in some of your reference tracks to avoid an awkward stereo image. don't be afraid to go pretty hard left and right, but if you're mixing for the club, don't go all the way or people on one half of the club won't be able to hear the part.

listen to your mix in mono from time-to-time. if you can't hear something in mono, you've got phase cancellation issues. start by panning the instrument you've lost around. if it pops at a certain level, you've found its place in the mix. if it doesn't pop, it's time to bring out the EQ.

keep your bottom end clean. don't spread anything out--no chorus on the bottom of your bass, etc. if you think a track with some frequencies down below could use some spread, duplicate and filter it. keep your bottom in one place and spread your mids and highs.

i mix on $100 sennheisers, but i have a pile of cheap ($5-30) headphones laying around my desk. i make sure my mix sounds good on all of them. i make sure my mix sounds good in the car. i make sure my mix sounds good when i step out of the room. i don't think monitors are necessary for a hobbyist producer at all.

start with all tracks muted, and bring them up one at a time, starting with your kick drum. you only need to be able to hear it clearly. it doesn't matter if all your volume faders are only halfway up. you wanna stay away from 0db. you can always use a limiter to bring up levels towards the end, and you're gonna want headroom (3-6db) for mastering anyway.

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #1994 on: Jan 16th, 2010, 9:28pm »

Kind of off topic, but I'm going to spend a bit of money a little later this year transforming 1/2 of my room into a mini studio/workstation. Nothing fancy, but I want it to be setup correctly and efficiently.

That said, what do you guys use for for production desks/workstations? I'm really interested in buying a quality desk (read: not particle board with a decal slapped on top). My only requirement is that it not have a raised monitor stand, since my 26" Samsung doesn't tilt down and it would be a pain in the ass.

If anyone has any suggestions, let me know.

Thanks.
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