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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2040 on: Feb 1st, 2010, 5:28pm »

on Feb 1st, 2010, 5:05pm, laserbeast wrote:
I have this track all laid out ready to be EQ'd and mixed. It's insane, too. I guess I should just sit down and really dive head first. I spent all weekend making this track, I just want it properly EQ'd. That's the wall I'm hitting


I like mixing it while I'm making it, it makes the final mix easier I think. Good luck
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« Reply #2041 on: Feb 1st, 2010, 5:42pm »

on Feb 1st, 2010, 5:28pm, Mauricio wrote:
I like mixing it while I'm making it, it makes the final mix easier I think. Good luck


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« Reply #2042 on: Feb 1st, 2010, 5:53pm »

keep in mind that if you can't get a certain sound to sit right in your mix without really heavy eq your problems probably extend beyond proper use of the eq. you may well have to give up or change another sound.

'fix it in the mix' is something i simply dread hearing from an artist
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2043 on: Feb 1st, 2010, 6:08pm »

on Feb 1st, 2010, 4:12pm, Mauricio wrote:
That sucks man. You just gotta work through it. I've spent the last week, 8 hours a day learning how to properly process bass and mix. I've gotten a lot better but it's been very frustrating. At the same time though it's been a huge learning experience.



Mauricio, were there any articles online that you read while learning this? I would be interested in reading them, if there were, and if it's not too much trouble for you to link them.
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« Reply #2044 on: Feb 1st, 2010, 7:10pm »

on Feb 1st, 2010, 6:08pm, deetak wrote:
Mauricio, were there any articles online that you read while learning this? I would be interested in reading them, if there were, and if it's not too much trouble for you to link them.


I wansn't reading anything in particular just listening to other songs that I know have what I consider "perfect" punchy low ends and figuring out why mine didn't sound like that. I figured it out.

I've started to notice that after a while it's all about really listening to something and applying what you know to get it there. I was adding way too much stuff on to my chains to get that sound I wanted. Instead I realized that beating it to submission isn't the answer, rather gently crafting it get's you there.

I'm using the PSP mix bass, and Izotope's Alloy as my low end processing tools. With some subtle but proper EQing.

As my comparison track I've been using Burufunk & Carbon Community - Community Funk (Deadmau5 Remix). I was out the other day and I heard it in a club that has the best sound system in SD and it was amazing.

Oh and what I meant by reading is just reading the manuals for those two plugins
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2045 on: Feb 2nd, 2010, 04:38am »

Ah cool, thanks for the info. It's something I've been wondering about lately.
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« Reply #2046 on: Feb 2nd, 2010, 12:24pm »

everyone should keep in mind eqing and processing should be your LAST RESORT. not your FIRST. technically you should be able to get your sound perfect and polished in the mix just by creating the right sound to begin with. but of course none of us here are expert sound designers and usually the result ends up being 50-90% perfect and we have to make way with the rest.

your first and most powerful tool in your ENTIRE DAW is your VOLUME FADER. if you have all of your tracks laid out with zero processing or EQing, you should be able to get your mix more then halfway sounding professional just by setting your levels right. if that doesn't work, your second most powerful tool is your pan knob to pan conflicting tracks in opposite directions. after that it's adjusting dynamics via compressors, gates, whatever that specific track needs. LAST RESORT is EQing.

both glass tank and the champions have zero eqing or compression but utility stuff like cutting off the highs and lows and sidechaining. wether or not their good mixes is up for you to decide though.. i have a loooong long way to go.
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« Reply #2047 on: Feb 2nd, 2010, 12:39pm »

on Feb 2nd, 2010, 12:24pm, Todd wrote:
everyone should keep in mind eqing and processing should be your LAST RESORT. not your FIRST. technically you should be able to get your sound perfect and polished in the mix just by creating the right sound to begin with. but of course none of us here are expert sound designers and usually the result ends up being 50-90% perfect and we have to make way with the rest.

your first and most powerful tool in your ENTIRE DAW is your VOLUME FADER. if you have all of your tracks laid out with zero processing or EQing, you should be able to get your mix more then halfway sounding professional just by setting your levels right. if that doesn't work, your second most powerful tool is your pan knob to pan conflicting tracks in opposite directions. after that it's adjusting dynamics via compressors, gates, whatever that specific track needs. LAST RESORT is EQing.

both glass tank and the champions have zero eqing or compression but utility stuff like cutting off the highs and lows and sidechaining. wether or not their good mixes is up for you to decide though.. i have a loooong long way to go.


Very true. I used to try to EQ things to fit. Now I use use EQ to cut out frequencies and maybe boost a tiny bit certain areas. But instead I make sure the sounds I'm using fit together and are filtered properly so that my low end doesn't end up so muddy.

I started crafting my own kick drums since I found that many of the ones I had from my samples just sucked.... and I turned to more flexible synthesizers so I could design the types of sounds I was trying to sample. I got Circle and I am very happy with it.

I also decided to expand my DAW knowledge and I'm knee deep in Logic. I have to say I'm really impressed with some of the features. I love Ableton but Logic feels like I can do ANYTHING. I imagine pro tools is a lot like this also.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2048 on: Feb 2nd, 2010, 10:28pm »

on Feb 2nd, 2010, 12:39pm, Mauricio wrote:
Very true. I used to try to EQ things to fit. Now I use use EQ to cut out frequencies and maybe boost a tiny bit certain areas. But instead I make sure the sounds I'm using fit together and are filtered properly so that my low end doesn't end up so muddy.

I started crafting my own kick drums since I found that many of the ones I had from my samples just sucked.... and I turned to more flexible synthesizers so I could design the types of sounds I was trying to sample. I got Circle and I am very happy with it.

I also decided to expand my DAW knowledge and I'm knee deep in Logic. I have to say I'm really impressed with some of the features. I love Ableton but Logic feels like I can do ANYTHING. I imagine pro tools is a lot like this also.


word, logic is great. there are only two kinds of daws, those that help you write music and those that help you record music. at the total left is ableton live and the total right is pro tools. logic (doing what apple does..) is dead center. it's pretty good at both but not the best of either y'know?

pro tools is different.. you better have 80% of your song figured out before you sit down otherwise you're going to want to stick a fork in your eye. same way you'd want to do that recording a full band with ableton live, it would be so painful.

ive never heard of circle who makes it, what's it like? ive been using the same three synths for years.. maybe it's time to move on. maybe.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2049 on: Feb 3rd, 2010, 11:45am »

on Feb 2nd, 2010, 10:28pm, Todd wrote:
word, logic is great. there are only two kinds of daws, those that help you write music and those that help you record music. at the total left is ableton live and the total right is pro tools. logic (doing what apple does..) is dead center. it's pretty good at both but not the best of either y'know?

pro tools is different.. you better have 80% of your song figured out before you sit down otherwise you're going to want to stick a fork in your eye. same way you'd want to do that recording a full band with ableton live, it would be so painful.

ive never heard of circle who makes it, what's it like? ive been using the same three synths for years.. maybe it's time to move on. maybe.


It's made by Future Audio Workshops. It's a semi-modular synth with great modulating options and easy and efficient interface. I love the sounds I can get from it.

http://www.futureaudioworkshop.com/circle/
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/3156.html


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2050 on: Feb 3rd, 2010, 11:56am »

The Dance Music Manual Second Edition.pdf
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« Reply #2051 on: Feb 3rd, 2010, 11:23pm »

Todd that video you posted of the Russian is so good that I'm seriously considering helping him do the translation again so I can understand what he is saying. I can't understand him I figure it out but it takes me a couple times... and the fact that he can't say the letter V is hilarious. I love how he says Vocalist as Rockalist.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2052 on: Feb 4th, 2010, 10:29am »

okay so i'm trying to record my new mixtape BUT i everytime i try adn record it records all muddy and dark.

like this
http://www.mediafire.com/?mwn1y1r5khz

can anybody help me out?
it's not the music that's messed up. Because while i'm recording it. It sounds perfect.
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« Reply #2053 on: Feb 4th, 2010, 11:09am »

What are you using to record it? (Mixer, audio interface, programs, etc)
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« Reply #2054 on: Feb 4th, 2010, 11:13am »

on Feb 3rd, 2010, 11:23pm, Mauricio wrote:
Todd that video you posted of the Russian is so good that I'm seriously considering helping him do the translation again so I can understand what he is saying. I can't understand him I figure it out but it takes me a couple times... and the fact that he can't say the letter V is hilarious. I love how he says Vocalist as Rockalist.


yeah watching tutorials and reading shit online bores the hell out of me and ive never done it, but for some reason that one particular video i think is really really good. i couldnt stop laughing when i first watched it the dude is just too funny
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