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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2085 on: Feb 16th, 2010, 9:24pm »

why would i do it with a perfectly encoded 320? i purposefully did it with a 320 from a blog and not one that i encoded myself because the point is this is what a great majority of djs spin, 320s from blogs. am i wrong? no one has those crazy 320s laying around their blogs man, i wish.

if you want to do better then by all means do it and post the results. the song i used was undertaker. buy the wave and have a crack at it.

on Feb 16th, 2010, 7:29pm, Jamie wrote:
hey todd,

how are you making the synth sound at like 3 seconds in on your taylor swift remix? maybe like a pitch bend? sounds sort of similar to a sound in a trak's "heads will roll" remix. i've been wondering how to make that sound... thanks.


yep just a super fast pitch bend, nothing complicated. pretty sure its just a single sawtooth and a little eq but i don't really remember. all my stuff is dead simple.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2086 on: Feb 17th, 2010, 11:50am »

on Feb 16th, 2010, 9:24pm, Todd wrote:
yep just a super fast pitch bend, nothing complicated. pretty sure its just a single sawtooth and a little eq but i don't really remember. all my stuff is dead simple.


speaking of which, in ableton live 8, is there any way to crank the amount of pitch bend in the envelope section of a midi part?

right now, when i draw in the automation to the max point in the envelope, its only bending to the next octave, but is there anyway to add a few more octaves to the range, or am i going about pitch bending the wrong way all together
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2087 on: Feb 17th, 2010, 1:21pm »

on Feb 17th, 2010, 11:50am, goldbluntz wrote:
speaking of which, in ableton live 8, is there any way to crank the amount of pitch bend in the envelope section of a midi part?

right now, when i draw in the automation to the max point in the envelope, its only bending to the next octave, but is there anyway to add a few more octaves to the range, or am i going about pitch bending the wrong way all together


Are you using a VST synth? or a sample of some sort and using inside sampler or simpler?

If you're using a VST synth then the pitch bend settings are equivalent to whatever you set them on your synth. So if it's only bending an octave then double the pitch bend range on your synth... then 1 will become 2 if get what I'm saying.

If you're using Sampler then go to the MIDI tab and there it allows you to set the pitch bend value.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2088 on: Feb 17th, 2010, 3:27pm »

on Feb 16th, 2010, 9:24pm, Todd wrote:
why would i do it with a perfectly encoded 320? i purposefully did it with a 320 from a blog and not one that i encoded myself because the point is this is what a great majority of djs spin, 320s from blogs. am i wrong? no one has those crazy 320s laying around their blogs man, i wish.

if you want to do better then by all means do it and post the results. the song i used was undertaker. buy the wave and have a crack at it.



yep just a super fast pitch bend, nothing complicated. pretty sure its just a single sawtooth and a little eq but i don't really remember. all my stuff is dead simple.


ah I totally misunderstood your purpose. It's true that the blog mp3s suck. I developed a specific chain that I run everything I download through to "enrich" the mp3 again and give it a little more *umph. It's subtle but it definitely makes a difference on a big system.

*EDIT and before I get shit I know I know there's no such thing blah blah I'm pretty much just making it louder and adding bass hahaha that's what I mean by "Enrich"

I found this and found it very funny:

Audio Woo Checklist
(attributed to Sean Adams, founder of SlimDevices)


You claim that an

( ) audible
( ) measurable
( ) hypothetical

improvement in sound quality can be attained by:

( ) upsampling
( ) increasing word size
( ) vibration dampening
( ) bi-wiring
( ) replacing the external power supply
( ) using a different lossless format
( ) decompressing on the server
( ) removing bits of metal from skull
( ) using ethernet instead of wireless
( ) inverting phase
( ) installing bigger connectors
( ) installing Black Gate caps
( ) installing ByBee filters
( ) installing hospital-grade AC jacks
( ) defragmenting the hard disk
( ) running older firmware

Your idea will not work. Specifically, it fails to account for:

( ) the placebo effect
( ) your ears honestly aren't that good
( ) your idea has already been thoroughly disproved
( ) modern DACs upsample anyway
( ) those products are pure snake oil
( ) lossless formats, by definition, are lossless
( ) those measurements are bogus
( ) sound travels much slower than you think
( ) electric signals travel much faster than you think
( ) that's not how binary arithmetic works
( ) that's not how TCP/IP works
( ) the Nyquist theorem
( ) the can't polish a turd theorem
( ) bits are bits

Your subsequent arguments will probably appeal in desperation to such esoterica as:

( ) jitter
( ) EMI
( ) thermal noise
( ) existentialism
( ) cosmic rays

And you will then change the subject to:

( ) theories are not the same as facts
( ) measurements don't tell everything
( ) not everyone is subject to the placebo effect
( ) blind testing is dumb
( ) you can't prove what I can't hear
( ) science isn't everything

Rather than engage in this tired discussion, I suggest exploring the following factors which are more likely to improve sound quality in your situation:

( ) room acoustics
( ) source material
( ) type of speakers
( ) speaker placement
( ) crossover points
( ) equalization
( ) Q-tips
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2089 on: Feb 17th, 2010, 9:24pm »

on Feb 17th, 2010, 1:21pm, Mauricio wrote:
Are you using a VST synth? or a sample of some sort and using inside sampler or simpler?

If you're using a VST synth then the pitch bend settings are equivalent to whatever you set them on your synth. So if it's only bending an octave then double the pitch bend range on your synth... then 1 will become 2 if get what I'm saying.

If you're using Sampler then go to the MIDI tab and there it allows you to set the pitch bend value.



OK!, so i do control this via the synth... Im using re fx claw but cant find any parameters that allow me to change the pitch bend range? is it just re fx?



Octave just transposes the bend, and tune is just showing the actual automation of the pitch bend, but i cant seem to figure out how to increase that? i also tried to change the pitch bend range in operator but still couldnt figure it out!!!

can i not change the pitch bend range using either of those synths, or am i still missing something!?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2090 on: Feb 18th, 2010, 01:00am »

on Feb 17th, 2010, 6:31pm, breezy wrote:
My friend gave me his apc40 (he picked up CDJs and a mixer and is going down the traditional route) and I've been playing around with ableton a little bit. I've figured out the very basics of DJing on there as well as using the apc40 for DJing.
But I would like to get into the production side of things and kind of figure out some stuff. Problem is I don't really know where to start and I tried looking at some youtube tutorials but I feel like even the basic ones don't cover the very basics I need to learn for production. Can anyone point me to some websites/videos that cover the very basic starting points, and also maybe guides on how best I can map my apc40 for production purposes?
Any help is extremely appreciated, thanks guys


First go to my link thread here: http://mstrkrft.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1259822963

Second: read "General Synthesis" and "Synth Secrets"
(this will make you understand how synthesis works and making your sounds)

Third: Read some music theory sections I have listed
(this will make it so your just pressing keys on a keyboard)

Fourth: Read some general mixing category stuff
(This will help you understand the after editing when you have some sounds layed down)

Fifth: listen to lots of music that you enjoy and want to sound like, and think about what you learned from 1-4 things i said
(this will help you think about how they created certain sounds, where they placed them in the mix, how the drum patterns went, etc. so you can think of ideas for yourself)

Thats all I can think of for right now
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2091 on: Feb 18th, 2010, 3:16pm »

on Feb 17th, 2010, 9:24pm, goldbluntz wrote:
OK!, so i do control this via the synth... Im using re fx claw but cant find any parameters that allow me to change the pitch bend range? is it just re fx?



Octave just transposes the bend, and tune is just showing the actual automation of the pitch bend, but i cant seem to figure out how to increase that? i also tried to change the pitch bend range in operator but still couldnt figure it out!!!

can i not change the pitch bend range using either of those synths, or am i still missing something!?


Google is your friend. I just typed in REFX Claw Pitch Bend and the first thing that came up is "you cannot change the pitch range"
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2092 on: Feb 19th, 2010, 01:52am »

I was watching a Foamo masterclass video and he mentioned he used to use GlissEQ because it allowed you to see spectrum analysis of multiple tracks to see what is clashing. I have ozone and alloy, and have heard praise of FabFilter Pro-Q.

Anyone have opinions on any of these? I have a PAT account so I have already downloaded em. Going to test em out, but just wondering what you guys think.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2093 on: Feb 19th, 2010, 03:06am »

on Feb 19th, 2010, 01:52am, The_IRA wrote:
I was watching a Foamo masterclass video and he mentioned he used to use GlissEQ because it allowed you to see spectrum analysis of multiple tracks to see what is clashing. I have ozone and alloy, and have heard praise of FabFilter Pro-Q.

Anyone have opinions on any of these? I have a PAT account so I have already downloaded em. Going to test em out, but just wondering what you guys think.


Can you post the link to that video? I wanna watch it. I like to watch/listen to shit while I'm working (day job) I mostly watch documentaries. I should really just start watching production videos...

I have the ProQ I like it a lot. I use it to filter the low end of everything besides my kick and my bass and watch the frequency with the built in spec.

I was just about to ask if the feature of you describe the gliss eq having existed. Right now what I'm doing is setting freq. specific sidechains to take care of freq. clashes... It has made a huge difference with the clarity... I'm doing my 3rd track and it sounds 10x better than my last one.

Alloy is a great channel strip. Amazing limiter & exciter. I still can't get the BBE sonic max... sigh.

I use the mastering reverb to glue the drums together after compression. It's subtle but very useful... kinda encloses the buss if that makes sense.

I would also recommend Sonalksis stereo tools. And the entire PSP suite... I use the PSP stuff on everything... It's insane what the vintage warmer or the mixpressor will do to a bus, esp. grouped busses...
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2094 on: Feb 19th, 2010, 09:24am »

on Feb 18th, 2010, 3:16pm, Mauricio wrote:
Google is your friend. I just typed in REFX Claw Pitch Bend and the first thing that came up is "you cannot change the pitch range"


oops! right.. googled operator too. that ones easy, and i'll know where to look for it in the future using other synths, so hey, tks again mauricio!!!
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« Reply #2095 on: Feb 19th, 2010, 11:11am »

on Feb 19th, 2010, 03:06am, Mauricio wrote:
Can you post the link to that video?

I was just about to ask if the feature of you describe the gliss eq having existed...

I still can't get the BBE sonic max... sigh.

I would also recommend Sonalksis stereo tools. And the entire PSP suite...


Thanks for the info once again. Everything you mentioned that you want/have/recommend is all on proaudiotorrents, which is where I got that Froamo video (as well as many other producer masterclass videos).

If you dont have an account i can hook you up, and if you want i know how to get a huge ratio in no time.

Edit: Also your freq specific sidechain what plugin do you use? I haven looked into this yet, just know about normal sidechaining when one activates.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2096 on: Feb 19th, 2010, 9:09pm »

on Feb 19th, 2010, 01:52am, The_IRA wrote:
I was watching a Foamo masterclass video and he mentioned he used to use GlissEQ because it allowed you to see spectrum analysis of multiple tracks to see what is clashing. I have ozone and alloy, and have heard praise of FabFilter Pro-Q.

Anyone have opinions on any of these? I have a PAT account so I have already downloaded em. Going to test em out, but just wondering what you guys think.


sonalksis. period.
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« Reply #2097 on: Feb 20th, 2010, 12:19am »

on Feb 19th, 2010, 9:09pm, Taylor wrote:
sonalksis. period.


Would you suggest the EQ itself or their bundle of plugins?
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« Reply #2098 on: Feb 20th, 2010, 01:25am »

on Feb 17th, 2010, 9:24pm, goldbluntz wrote:
OK!, so i do control this via the synth... Im using re fx claw but cant find any parameters that allow me to change the pitch bend range? is it just re fx?



Octave just transposes the bend, and tune is just showing the actual automation of the pitch bend, but i cant seem to figure out how to increase that? i also tried to change the pitch bend range in operator but still couldnt figure it out!!!

can i not change the pitch bend range using either of those synths, or am i still missing something!?


hai

Here's an idea how about you sample your self doing the limited pitch bend and then change the transpose.. jus sayin'.. or use that ableton delay that you can change the delays pitch (i forget which one it is off the top of my head).

kbye
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #2099 on: Feb 20th, 2010, 11:46am »

on Feb 20th, 2010, 12:19am, The_IRA wrote:
Would you suggest the EQ itself or their bundle of plugins?


sonalksis and alloy are both great, period. sonalksis eq has been my go-to eq for years. built in spectrum analyzer, simple, can do anyyyything. and their tbk filter is my go-to for filtering.. god damn it sounds so rich. love em.

alloy is badass. that's all i gotta say. don't use it that much cus it's really designed for heavy processing and i like to keep things simple, but that doesn't change that it sounds fucking awesome and i'm really impressed with it.

but if i only had to keep three plugins.. the three i use on EVERY track i make - abbeyroads eq, softube FET compressor and L2. its like you'd have to try hard to make them sound bad. i don't really give much of a shit which plugins i use but for some reason those three tickle my balls in a very magical way
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