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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #285 on: Apr 13th, 2008, 7:04pm »

on Apr 13th, 2008, 4:45pm, SGuitar wrote:
i was looking back again at the stuff in this section, and it seems like a lot has been established about programs, vsts, keyboards, and dj stuff.

i have a question though about the actual process of making an electronic song. i notice the sounds of synths in a lot of songs subtly change over time, making the song more dynamic and giving more movement to the arrangement. how is this shifting done? is it a matter of automating the eq for the synths, automating distortion and other effects? i guess theres also just the levels too, bringing something gradually higher into or lower out of the mix.

also, any recommendations of how to use this shifting texture in songs? where it works best, stuff like that.


surely it all depends on whether you are using soft synths only or a real synth/controller. i find using the controller initially then cleaning it up with the mouse works best for me
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« Reply #286 on: Apr 14th, 2008, 6:10pm »

on Apr 13th, 2008, 4:45pm, SGuitar wrote:
i was looking back again at the stuff in this section, and it seems like a lot has been established about programs, vsts, keyboards, and dj stuff.

i have a question though about the actual process of making an electronic song. i notice the sounds of synths in a lot of songs subtly change over time, making the song more dynamic and giving more movement to the arrangement. how is this shifting done? is it a matter of automating the eq for the synths, automating distortion and other effects? i guess theres also just the levels too, bringing something gradually higher into or lower out of the mix.

also, any recommendations of how to use this shifting texture in songs? where it works best, stuff like that.


I don't know if there's an easier way than doing it the way I do it, because my way is hard as fuck and extremely unneccessary to get what you want out of your synth but anyway...

I use a MIDI control for the soft synths I use (various) and run 'em into a guitar amp. I bring up the amp's Overdrive all the way up and record the synth via Pro Tools while I play it live. And I usually play just 8 notes to loop. As for distortion, I can hit guitar pedals I have now to bring down or bring up the effects. Sometimes, while I record, I'll physically change/turn a knob on the soft synth up or down and I get something different out of it.

It's a pretty retarded way of doing it, I know but I just experiment with every new thing I learn. Experimenting = Experience.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #287 on: Apr 15th, 2008, 8:53pm »

on Apr 14th, 2008, 6:10pm, R2RO wrote:
It's a pretty retarded way of doing it, I know but I just experiment with every new thing I learn. Experimenting = Experience.


This by no means is this a song at all. It's just an example of what I'm talking about up there on my last post.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/106096457dd3d3d9/

Follow along these timelines if it helps you get what I'm doing.

(From 0:00 - 0:15) - There is some simple note pattern I randomly made up on the spot with some random synth preset I used from some random synth.

(From 0:15 - 0:43) You can hear a "different synth" with the same note pattern fade in. It's not a different synth. It's the same synth I used during the first 15 seconds. It was recorded through an amp with the overdrive and gain brought all the way up and a Metalizer guitar pedal through the MIDI controller. That was recorded through a mic and ProTools cleaned up the buzz and clicks. Some drums kick in, they're just there to make it sound like music I guess.

(From 0:44 - 1:13) Now you can hear the same synth over a guitar amp but with a Volume envelope over it just going down and up per beat.

Call it garbage or gold. Either way, it's just something to try if you have a guitar amp and some 15 min. That's how long it took to make that.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #288 on: Apr 16th, 2008, 3:53pm »

you should email me that kick drum.
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« Reply #289 on: Apr 17th, 2008, 8:35pm »

anyway, convolution, lets talk about it, pretty cool stuff, i feel like this is gonna be the new sidechain compression...ive yet to try it myself but ive seen it demonstrated and looks like its the balls, i read something about junkie xl taking the big part of a crash symbol and mixing it with a pad sound and getting crazy results
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« Reply #290 on: Apr 19th, 2008, 11:56am »

on Apr 17th, 2008, 8:35pm, Taylor wrote:
anyway, convolution, lets talk about it, pretty cool stuff, i feel like this is gonna be the new sidechain compression...ive yet to try it myself but ive seen it demonstrated and looks like its the balls, i read something about junkie xl taking the big part of a crash symbol and mixing it with a pad sound and getting crazy results


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« Reply #291 on: Apr 19th, 2008, 3:11pm »

i dont quite understand it myself but it seems to be all the rage in all the magazines ive been reading, i just downloaded altiverb im gonna screw with it, hopefully ill have a somewhat complete understanding by tomorrow, im pretty good with learning new software

the short version is from what i know from the mathematical formula is like splicing two algorithms together to get a new one, so basically youre applying sonic properties of one sound to another

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolution

here you go, i didnt bother reading it, its a weekend, i dont want to learn
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #292 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 11:57am »

yo i need some help

i use ableton (6) and when i make music i usually just use the samples or record and loop whatever i make to a nice even number and just add layers

but thats with music

lately ive been experimenting with some vocal tracks and acapellas and the problem is keeping the vocal tracks on the same timing with the looped tracks

my only somewhat solution is cutting up the vocals and looping those just to fit the timing

is there anything else i can do? - help me out
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« Reply #293 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 4:30pm »

adjust the beat markers manually, its a pain, but its the only way. On the waveform view, there are beat markers, if they are yellow you can move them around, otherwise you have to right click and choose warp from here and you can use all of them. Start at the beginning cuz if you go ahead then go back it gets all screwed up
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« Reply #294 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 5:42pm »

yeah thats what i normally do

but it changes the tempo and alters the original vocal track -> and thats what i dont wanna do

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« Reply #295 on: Apr 27th, 2008, 7:53pm »

not if you do it properly it doesnt
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« Reply #296 on: May 1st, 2008, 1:19pm »

Great thing about reason is you can pretty much automate anything you want. My favorite trick is to play with the filter frequency. Best way to do this is play your track with your synth, make sure it's on record mode, go into the rack view, move the filter lever up and down to give it character, then stop the track. Next time you play it that lever should be highlighted green. Right click it and select "edit automation parameters" or whatever it says, then it'll take you to the sequencer and you'll see a drawing of what you did. If you take the line tool you can create steady up and down paths to make the synth "swell" or to punctuate certain beats, you can use the pencil tool and draw little troughs to give it more character. Or you can just do it all live. Either way, that's pretty much how I do it anyway. LFO is another fun thing to automate to create oscillations in your sound.

on Apr 13th, 2008, 4:45pm, SGuitar wrote:
i was looking back again at the stuff in this section, and it seems like a lot has been established about programs, vsts, keyboards, and dj stuff.

i have a question though about the actual process of making an electronic song. i notice the sounds of synths in a lot of songs subtly change over time, making the song more dynamic and giving more movement to the arrangement. how is this shifting done? is it a matter of automating the eq for the synths, automating distortion and other effects? i guess theres also just the levels too, bringing something gradually higher into or lower out of the mix.

also, any recommendations of how to use this shifting texture in songs? where it works best, stuff like that.
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« Reply #297 on: May 4th, 2008, 11:08am »

I've been floating around music blogs all day today and I found a whole bunch of remixes of some Rock songs. QOTSA was one that caught my attention. "Better Living Through Chemistry" (Streetlife DJ's Remix)

Okay, well BESIDES nicely asking QOTSA to send you their vocal .WAV or without extracting vocals through programs like Audacity (because it never really works as well as you'd like), is there any (other/better) way someone could get ahold of an acapella from another artist?

I was thinking there was probably a sample site/blog that allows people to download short samples of other artist music. If not, whatev, sampling the original wouldn't be as bad.
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« Reply #298 on: May 4th, 2008, 11:34am »

here's a few acapella sites:

acapellas4u.co.uk
blacklabelled.com
http://www.brentcctx.com/
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« Reply #299 on: May 4th, 2008, 12:13pm »

on May 4th, 2008, 11:34am, MiscChoc wrote:
here's a few acapella sites:

acapellas4u.co.uk, blacklabelled.com, http://www.brentcctx.com/


Awesome. Bookmarked. Alot of these I've noticed are more hip-hop than anything. I was looking or Led Zeppelin, Deftones, AC/DC type stuff. I think it's really, really unlikely I'll find some but I'll play around w/ some of these acapellas today anyway. Thanks.
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