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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #315 on: May 13th, 2008, 9:26pm »

just take a standard electronic song structure...

intro - 32 bars
verse - 32 bars
breakdown - 32 bars
verse - 32 bars
outro - 32 bars

but mix it up a litte (mini breakdown at end of intro, etc)
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #316 on: May 13th, 2008, 9:54pm »

on May 13th, 2008, 9:26pm, MiscChoc wrote:
just take a standard electronic song structure...

intro - 32 bars
verse - 32 bars
breakdown - 32 bars
verse - 32 bars
outro - 32 bars

but mix it up a litte (mini breakdown at end of intro, etc)


what, no chorus?
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« Reply #317 on: May 14th, 2008, 08:33am »

eh by verse i kinda meant chorus...depends on the vocals
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #318 on: May 14th, 2008, 9:15pm »

This is going to be a semi-lengthy post, have quite a few questions. Thanks in advance and I also have to say - great thread guys.

I've been working with music for quite awhile but only in the past few months have I really started getting into doing elctro and dance. I've worked extensively with Steinburgs Nuendo - and this serves very little purpose with the new stuff these days. So recently i've been trying to learn Ableton Live 7, which i'm having quite a difficult time with.

Previously I also used Fruity Loops - which I found the midi interface to be wonderful and very intuitive to use, anything was at my fingertips with big editing tables and effects. It was easy to play a beat and sync it - or draw a beat by hand. Also the way the sequencer went together in fruity loops was very easy with its seperate "Patterns" that you paste on.

I'm trying to learn Ableton as I said above - I'm having a hard time grasping it's concepts. It seems to have midi capablitiy, but it seems so much more stiff then fruity loops. Also, the fact that there is no paste on patterns confuses me, you have to pre record your mixdown and watch it be pasted on by ableton itself? Very strange.

I've been reading Taylors respones about Reason and how it has a steep learning curve, is it any worse than Ableton? Because for what ever reason I'm finding Ableton to be very clunky and inefficient. Most likely because I'm new to it and don't know many shortcuts within it but, I'd like some of your guys oppinions on it.

Reason is another choice that I may look to, one thing that I'm searching for in my software is something comparable to Mix Meisters capability to cut , chop, copy , and paste quantisized beats of a song to make effective stuttering / looping effect *Referencing things like Phantom Pt2 remix by Boys Noize, I want to be able to loop songs / samples as they do to create a new beat / sound*. I used Mix Meister a few times now, and it gives a very nice beat syncer and allows you to copy and paste clipped beats for perfect loops and such. I have yet to see this happen / figure out if it's possible in Ableton and was wondering if Reason would be better suitable for this. One reason for leaving Fruity Loops even though its midi interface is unparalell, was the fact that it doesn't have very good support for looping beats and such.

I've read a few posts about the VSTs you guys have been working with and am deffinatly going to check them out, but I'm still searching for VSTs that can produce deep - growling - bass sounds, things like MSTRKRFT have been using on their new tracks like Bounce, or something like the Bloody Beetroots remix of Escape by The Toxic Avenger, or for that matter ANY of the Toxic Avengers patches - they are all very deep and distorted but bring alot to his music. Any ideas on how to obtain those?

One other thing that I've seen you guys talking about is drums and drum loops. Is it customary for most people to download a pack of drum loop samples, then import the samples you want into what ever program your using and edit them to sound how ever you want? If so, im wondering if anyone knows of good VST effects to obtain the grungy / bassy / distorted sound that alot of the bands I mentioned above use in their own samples. I also have a hard time working with the drum beats I already have. Within fruity loops it was easy to just put down a beat using their pattern editors or even open up the midi board and draw in my own beat - but I have yet to see something as easy and intuitive inside of Ableton or any other program. I havnt seen many good VST effect plug ins for quite some time.

Essentially I'm looking for a program that can handle all of these things, the plugins - the instruments - while giving me good editing capabilites as far as looping and stuttering key shifts are concerned. I'm not 100% sure Ableton is the program to do this, so any recommendations would be awesome.

Again - great theard guys and any feed back on any of these areas would be awesome. Cheers in advance, much love!

-Gatson.
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« Reply #319 on: May 14th, 2008, 9:36pm »

once you get into ableton/any other sequencer, youll find its quite a bit easier to work with than FL, not necessarily for sketching a song out but for getting it done and getting it done right

reason doesnt have a steep learning curve, the routing on it is so simple, thats one of the things i love about it

as far as vsts, mstrkrft is straight up hardware, so download some hardware emulation vsts if you want to copy that sound

and theres a shitload of different places to get your drums from, i personally prefer to listen to a bunch of music till i find an isolated drum and then i use it as my own, it gives music a more personal touch in my opinion because youre taking the sample as your own
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« Reply #320 on: May 14th, 2008, 10:51pm »

on May 14th, 2008, 9:36pm, Taylor wrote:
once you get into ableton/any other sequencer, youll find its quite a bit easier to work with than FL, not necessarily for sketching a song out but for getting it done and getting it done right

reason doesnt have a steep learning curve, the routing on it is so simple, thats one of the things i love about it

as far as vsts, mstrkrft is straight up hardware, so download some hardware emulation vsts if you want to copy that sound

and theres a shitload of different places to get your drums from, i personally prefer to listen to a bunch of music till i find an isolated drum and then i use it as my own, it gives music a more personal touch in my opinion because youre taking the sample as your own


So with Reason, is it possible to achieve the copy and pasteing and pitch changing of a song / sample that im looking for? all time synced as well? with snap on grid? - I'm really looking for a easier / effective way to get those glitchy chopy loops that alot of djs are using these days.
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« Reply #321 on: May 15th, 2008, 7:56pm »

on May 14th, 2008, 10:51pm, Gatson wrote:
So with Reason, is it possible to achieve the copy and pasteing and pitch changing of a song / sample that im looking for? all time synced as well? with snap on grid? - I'm really looking for a easier / effective way to get those glitchy chopy loops that alot of djs are using these days.


render the audio you want then chop it later, listen to white knight two by surkin, i think he just plays out the notes then he chopped up the first eighth or so of each note up and repasted it
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #322 on: May 15th, 2008, 11:05pm »

Hey this is more of a tech issue im having..
I have a micro-korg, which i have hooked up via midi to an edirol interface, and i am running ableton live 7, and i cannont get it to work as my midi controller, nothing sounds, and ableton will not even recognize midi being sent, i know ableton has a list of midi controller its meant to work with, but is there any reason why the micro korg would not work aswell?
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« Reply #323 on: May 16th, 2008, 5:00pm »

on May 15th, 2008, 11:05pm, Zaft wrote:
Hey this is more of a tech issue im having..
I have a micro-korg, which i have hooked up via midi to an edirol interface, and i am running ableton live 7, and i cannont get it to work as my midi controller, nothing sounds, and ableton will not even recognize midi being sent, i know ableton has a list of midi controller its meant to work with, but is there any reason why the micro korg would not work aswell?


its not just plug and play, you have to go into your DAWs preferences and select which port you want it to receive midi from, and by the way, midi is just 1 and 0s, not actual audio(sorry if im insulting your intelligence)

first read the manual and check that youre doing everything right, then if that doesnt work send me a detailed PM and ill try to help
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #324 on: May 16th, 2008, 11:09pm »

zaft,
if you are running the micro korg to the edirol, it makes sense that it would be the edirol midi that is having the problem, make sure you have the drivers for that properly set up. otherwise if you're microkorg has a usb, you can get a driver to connect that directly to comp. i have a micro X korg and its just about getting the drivers set up properly to make sure it works.
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« Reply #325 on: May 18th, 2008, 8:07pm »

Hey everyone. I am trying to learn how to remix and make samples/drum beats/etc. I really don't have much knowledge of making music, I just have a passion to make it. First of all, I don't exactly know what program to use. I have tried Audition, ACID, and Ableton and so far it looks like ACID is probably the best for making samples and loops and for putting everything together. Now, my question is this: how do artists like MSTRKRFT, Justice, Bloody B's, etc make their remixes. What is the standard procedure/method of making loops and beats and such. Where do most artists get their drum beats? Do they usually make them themselves with drum machines?...Do they use any hardware (MIDI controllers, turntables, etc)? Or do they simply just use software and their laptops for the entire process?
What is the best way to get started?
I know some questions might be unanswerable, but any kind of help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #326 on: May 19th, 2008, 02:57am »

on Mar 22nd, 2008, 04:24am, thetechnopagans wrote:
k i stayed up all night and finished my tenderoni remix, nothing compared to Al P's but its definitely got a different sound than most chromeo mixes, check it out here:

http://www.myspace.com/thetechnopagans


Hey man, I really like the flowers song you got on there. I definetly hear Justice - Valentine being sampled in there. Am I right? That's one of my fav Justice songs. What hardware do you use?
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« Reply #327 on: May 19th, 2008, 9:32pm »

on May 18th, 2008, 8:07pm, sinuspain wrote:
Hey everyone. I am trying to learn how to remix and make samples/drum beats/etc. I really don't have much knowledge of making music, I just have a passion to make it. First of all, I don't exactly know what program to use. I have tried Audition, ACID, and Ableton and so far it looks like ACID is probably the best for making samples and loops and for putting everything together. Now, my question is this: how do artists like MSTRKRFT, Justice, Bloody B's, etc make their remixes. What is the standard procedure/method of making loops and beats and such. Where do most artists get their drum beats? Do they usually make them themselves with drum machines?...Do they use any hardware (MIDI controllers, turntables, etc)? Or do they simply just use software and their laptops for the entire process?
What is the best way to get started?
I know some questions might be unanswerable, but any kind of help is appreciated. Thanks.


pro tools, samples from other songs, drum machines to trigger older synths, lots of analog outboard hardware, listen to music you like, just experiment

just read the first couples posts on this thread and skim the questions for jesse thread
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« Reply #328 on: May 21st, 2008, 10:31am »

hey taylor, point of clarification as I dont want to sift through 23 pages.

I tried looking at your guide but I have a couple gaps in understanding.

a) wtf is a drum machine
b) synths, are those just keyboards? :S

sorry if these are stupid questions
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« Reply #329 on: May 21st, 2008, 9:05pm »

on May 21st, 2008, 10:31am, sunrise600 wrote:
hey taylor, point of clarification as I dont want to sift through 23 pages.

I tried looking at your guide but I have a couple gaps in understanding.

a) wtf is a drum machine
b) synths, are those just keyboards? :S

sorry if these are stupid questions


drum machine –noun
a device that simulates percussion sounds in various combinations and rhythms, and can alter digitally stored drum sounds or make digital recordings of drum sounds.

when i say drum machine its usually referring to a step based sequencer with drum sounds(ie an 808, 909, machinedrum, or something like that, go look those up and youll get the gist of what a drum machine is/looks like)

a synth is a synthesizer, which is somewhat different than what most people see as a keyboard (like a casio with presets, no parameters
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