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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #555 on: Aug 26th, 2008, 3:10pm »

I'm working on a track now and I have a really sharp sheering sounding saw synth (so you can get an idea, sounds kind of boys noizish I suppose, not the 303 sound), and when compressed with other stuff seems to completely rip through everything else besides the kick drum. The only thing i can think of is to turn down the middle EQ on the compressor to take away some of its power, but that also makes me lose the middle eq of anything else I want to put in since I only put one compressor on the main track like you suggested. I'm kinda stuck and all the mastering/reverbing and compressing I try doesnt seem to work like it has for me i nthe past, jsut wondering if you have any anything like this before, and if so what you suggest doing?
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« Reply #556 on: Aug 26th, 2008, 5:12pm »

Complimetary EQ should work before the compressor... Cut the mids on the synth, boost the mids on everything else (just a wee bit, if at all) run it to the compressor.
I apologize if this seems obvious and hasn't worked, but I don't quite understand
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #557 on: Aug 27th, 2008, 03:52am »

on Aug 26th, 2008, 3:10pm, thetechnopagans wrote:
I'm working on a track now and I have a really sharp sheering sounding saw synth (so you can get an idea, sounds kind of boys noizish I suppose, not the 303 sound), and when compressed with other stuff seems to completely rip through everything else besides the kick drum. The only thing i can think of is to turn down the middle EQ on the compressor to take away some of its power, but that also makes me lose the middle eq of anything else I want to put in since I only put one compressor on the main track like you suggested. I'm kinda stuck and all the mastering/reverbing and compressing I try doesnt seem to work like it has for me i nthe past, jsut wondering if you have any anything like this before, and if so what you suggest doing?


I'm guessing you have it sidechained.

make a new track and route the bus of the sidechained synth track to it. but you gotta commit cause its gonna be like this forever now, you can't change the compression.


once the sidechain is written to an audio track, it wont interfere with the drums and stuff, you could just lower and EQ it
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #558 on: Aug 27th, 2008, 07:42am »

on Aug 26th, 2008, 5:12pm, Kyran wrote:
Complimetary EQ should work before the compressor... Cut the mids on the synth, boost the mids on everything else (just a wee bit, if at all) run it to the compressor.
I apologize if this seems obvious and hasn't worked, but I don't quite understand


ya but then I missed out on the sound of the sy nth too much.

no it wasn't sidechained, its gated though. I ended up just adding in a low dirtier synth that kind of fixed it up once I ran it through the compressor
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« Reply #559 on: Aug 27th, 2008, 9:14pm »

I don't know how you rig stuff up in your DAW but I've used a trick where you sidechain the tracks of important shit you want to hear up to a band on the EQ so that when something else needs to be heard, it triggers the Mid band cut.

Also you shouldn't lose too much of your synth with a simple cut in EQ. You're not cutting out all the midrange, just the strip of frequencies that are clashing. lower the bandwidth on the frequency you're adjusting, drop it down 6dB and slide the frecuency control along until you find the sweet spot where everything else pops out. This is all assuming you're using a parametric EQ and not like a Low Mid High you'd find on an amp or something...
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« Reply #560 on: Aug 27th, 2008, 9:43pm »

the compressor vst I use has low mid high knobs and I generally like to work with those because I can get good sounds and dont have the processing power to run seperate parametric eq vsts on each track. Its all worked out now though, thanks for the tips though
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #561 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 07:33am »

Hi guys!

First I would like to say thanks to all of you.
I have been reading all day long in this forum, yeah all day long... Best forum ever!

My question is:
How can I get basslines so distorted like those used by The bloody beetroots in "72 virgins shitdisco"?
And like those "brrzzss" you can hear in "cocotte" from Boysnoize?
And like the distorted bassline of "Phantom" from Justice?

I can distort it, no problem, but when I do the bassline allways starts sounding like a bad quality mp3...

I use a Korg MS-20 vst (Legacy), Jupiter v8 vst, FM8, Massive, ABL2, Arturia Moog modular vst, etc...

To distort I use "Guitar Rig 3" or "Izotope Trash".

So it's bassically a Korg MS-20 VST with Guitar Rig on it. Is this the way to get it or is there a better way?
I know that using guitar effects on synths is good to get cool sounding basslines but I must be doing something wrong...

They sound so warm with the Bloody Beetroots...
And so clear...

So guys, how do I get that clear distortion sound?
Hardware guitar effects instead of vsts?
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« Reply #562 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 08:06am »

I've been told that the lead bassline from Phantom by Justice is made with a juno 106.
The effects they used are unknown to me.

Is this the big secret to making amazing basslines?
Just finding the right sound on your synth with the right effects like distortion on it?

I want the hard and clear basslines like the Bloody Beetroots and Boysnoize have...

Please help?

Thanks
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #563 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 11:50am »

on Aug 28th, 2008, 08:06am, Heraclys wrote:
I've been told that the lead bassline from Phantom by Justice is made with a juno 106.
The effects they used are unknown to me.

Is this the big secret to making amazing basslines?
Just finding the right sound on your synth with the right effects like distortion on it?

I want the hard and clear basslines like the Bloody Beetroots and Boysnoize have...

Please help?

Thanks


Takes alot of practice, Try SANS AMP plugin for distortion.

on the minimoog fuck with the filtering right so its sharp, also the mod wheel when its set to filter can give that push.

that minimoog vst is all bout what waveforms you put together with oscillators and the filtering to get a mean sound.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #564 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 12:17pm »

Thanks Diego De La Vega!

I've tested out some stuff that I read on this forum.
Wow, the best thing I tried was something Taylor mentioned.

He spoke in one of his posts about a special trick that JFK uses for his synths.
Splitting up the sound coming from the synth in 3 parts and putting the low pass filter on the first and high pass and chorus on the others + spreading these out.
The results here in my mini studio are amazing!

I used massive with 3 oscillators all with saw waves.
Behind this the izotop trash.
That gives some crazy sounds dudes!

Thank you very much Taylor!!
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« Reply #565 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 2:04pm »

no problem, all the credit goes to jesse though, and i dont even use distortion to get distorted sounds, if you push the levels a bit you get natural distortion(a la ALPs advice) and it sounds better and you have a less cluttered signal path, of course theres times when its probably more practical to just use the effect or whatever, and jesse said everything justice does is in garageband

BBS are a big fan of the arturia arp2600v,(if youve ever fucked with it, youll notice the sound and they use it on like everything) and so is DIM, i actually asked jesse about the teenage bad girl thing like six months ago, he just said mad compression and distortion, you really dont need the guitar rig or trash, ive never liked guitar rig or any pedal emulator because it makes the nice clear synth signal sound small and shitty

and for the clear distortion sound, what youre probably referring to is harmonic distortion that you get from pushing levels a bit high, distortion plugins usually just crunch the sound
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« Reply #566 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 5:07pm »

That is so good news man!

I have the arturia arp2600v!
Yeah I messed around with it but it's not really a synth that looks simple to me...
So many knobs and sliders you know...

I will check that out right away...

I have just seen the movie "Part of the weekend never dies" by Soulwax.
Amazing lifestyle man!
They are from Belgium just like me.

Anyway thanks again Taylor!

Do you maybe also know what kind of midi to CV converter JFK or bands like "Soulwax" or "Simian mobile disco" use to sequence their MS-20's?

On this website you see a big mod done on a Korg MS-20.
This guy opened up the synth unscrewing a billion buttons.
Just crazy!
>> http://www.cykong.com/Synths/Korg%20MS-20/KorgMS-20.htm

But I don't think Soulwax or any other famous artist is doing it this way.
Maybe a smal midi to CV converter that has v/oct and v/Hz conversion.
Like this one:
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« Reply #567 on: Aug 28th, 2008, 7:17pm »

why not just play it, all of the song paris is played (on the juno 60 i think)

it doesnt really matter, they all do the same shit
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« Reply #568 on: Aug 29th, 2008, 03:54am »

Taylor, about the arp 2600v and the harmonic distortion, that is like the best advice I have ever got man!
I see the light now man!

I'm getting the sounds that I wanted now!!

If you ever come to belgium I'll let you drink Duvel for free al day long dude!!
(Duvel = Best beer in the world = Belgian beer)
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #569 on: Aug 29th, 2008, 1:23pm »

Ok I have read a lot of this thread but not all of it so dont sue me if a similar question was asked.

ANYWAYS
I have been making music for a few months and just recently started booking a few shows.

This would be fantastic except for the fact that I have no idea how to DJ outside the studio.

So my dilemma is that I need to learn how to DJ in about 2 weeks or Im kinda screwed. I really want to get Ableton Live but I dont know if I have the time (or the money) to invest in the program at this point. I use a macbook so its been kinda hard to find mac torrents that work of the program.

My question is if Ableton Live is easy enough to just dive right into with and use right away and if the recommended drum pad is necessary. If not another option was getting a pirate version of this program Mixmeister. Its not a fantastic program but I messed around with the demo and it seems easy to beatmatch with.

Also my bro does have a mixer and the serato set up that he said i can borrow but no turntables.

Does anyone have any recommendations on how I can both learn how to dj and/or what equipment I should use that would be the easiest to just get right into?



Also one last quick question...

Is it weird if when 2 DJs switch off like from one name on the night's bill to the other for there to be complete silence in the club? Is it kinda amateur if for the equipment switch there is no music playing?

Sorry for the awkward wording.
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