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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #840 on: Nov 26th, 2008, 5:20pm »

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #841 on: Nov 26th, 2008, 6:23pm »

on Nov 26th, 2008, 11:30am, Kyran wrote:
It depends on exactly what you're trying to do. A lot of people DJing with Ableton don't even need headphones cause everything's gridded for them beforehand. If you went this route you wouldn't need to buy a second soundcard with two channels, you could just plug straight into your headphone out.

The M Audio X Sesh you posted is a Midi mixer. It's a Midi controller, laid out like a mixer, meant to control the internal mixing functions of your software. It's not actually taking any audio and adjusting it. It's the equivalent of a usb keyboard. That one's suited more to traditional DJ setups with two decks. Ableton can need more controls than that. Depends on how you want to do things.
A controller I'm going to be buying in a bit is called the NanoKontrol by Korg. It's built for Ableton and it's only 60$ which is wicked. Usually if you look up "Ableton Controllers" you'll get similar results, but this one's the cheapest I've seen, and they're apparently pretty solid too.

If I were you I'd figure out what you want to do with just the software first and then buy the hardware that you need. Especially with Ableton, where you could be doing any sort of style of DJing. Just work with your mouse for a bit, learn the software and figure out how you want to do things.

And of course I'm going to tell you what I use If you're looking for Traditional style DJing with lots of advanced features, Traktor Pro is the way to go. It pretty much has anything you'd look for in a modern DJ solution, and anything you can't do (like add in your own effects) can be done in Ableton. You can route the audio output from Traktor into Ableton for more processing (This is called Smart Mixing)
You can download a demo of it (or the whole thing. Make sure you get the time bomb patch with it too) and give it a try, maybe even with ableton. There's some good tutorials on DJtechtools.com about Traktor, Ableton, and mixing the two together. They also have reviews on a lot of different controllers and stuff (including the NanoKontrol)

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First of all thanks so much for the reply, I didn't think anyone would bother to take the time for my noob questions so I really appreciate your help.

The link you posted looks very informative so I'll spend some time reading through there.

I guess in terms of what I'm looking to do, I've started with some mixing already with some basic mixing (example this mix I made that I posted in music swap: //mstrkrft.suddenlaunch3.com/index.cgi?board=whatitlooklike&action=display&num=1227680433&start=0

and from here I'd like to move into more technical and effective mixing, adding more effects, loops, eq, etc. The thing that really interested me about ableton (which is the same thing that I've heard old school DJ's complain about) is that since it basically does some aspects of DJing for you (ie syncing beats instead of beatmatching) that one should be able to do much more with the time and ability to focus on other things so I guess ultimately I wanna be able to do some crazy shit and add multiple looks, effects, more than 2 songs, etc.

And I'll definitely look into your suggestion of mixing traktor and ableton together.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #842 on: Nov 26th, 2008, 6:24pm »

oh, one other thing I was hoping you or someone else could explain to me...How exactly does the USB sound card work again? So you basically plug that in to your usb slot on your laptop lets say, and then does the speaker plug into that while you plug your headphones into the regular headphone jack of the laptop? Or is it the mixer that plugs into the usb soundcard and the mixer plugs into the speakers? thanks again!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #843 on: Nov 26th, 2008, 7:05pm »

No problem
It sounds like you've at least got an idea of what you want to do. I'd highly recommend Traktor or Traktor and Ableton combined. Loops, beatjumping, hot cue jumping, loads of effects etc. It's pretty awesome.

As for the soundcard, you plug that in to usb, and it has two outputs on it, one to go to your mixer (or soundsystem) and one to plug your headphones into. The actual soundcard in your computer gets bypassed completely so nothing's coming out the regular headphone jack.
If you're playing in a club, they're probably going to have a mixer set up so you'll just run from your soundcard into one of the channels.
You could also run your decks out separate channels from your soundcard (you'd need a 3 channel soundcard) into two separate mixer channels and mix them externally. That's just getting complicated. Keep in mind I'm talking about actual audio mixers not midi controllers in mixer format like that M Audio one.

It all depends on your speakers as to what sort of external hardware you're going to need after your soundcard. When I DJ, I have a cable that runs from my interface to a mixer, which runs to four passive speakers, and then from that mixer, to another powered mixer which runs to a set of powered speakers. Kind of tricky but the sound system should have somewhere for you to plug into without needing a mixer of your own.


Long story short: Starting off, using Ableton/Traktor/both, you'll probably need a multi-channel soundcard, headphones for monitoring, and maybe a midi control surface so you don't have to use your mouse for everything. If you're running your own parties, you'll need a mixer and powered speakers (+lasers and shit )

Not to promote Native Instruments any more, but they have a pretty good page on connecting DJ gear which is centered around their Audio 8 DJ interface (which comes with Traktor Scratch Pro, the version of the program for use with turntable/CDJ control discs)
http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=hardwareguide&L=1&nitr=1&l_src=audio8dj&tsr_id=51462&ftu=ad253ea226f9a9c
That should answer some of your questions.

Sorry if I power rambled.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #844 on: Nov 27th, 2008, 3:39pm »

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Akai-MPK-49-Recording-Package-703254-i1394721.gc

Thinking about picking this up tomorrow. Opinions?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #845 on: Nov 27th, 2008, 4:25pm »

It's pretty tasty
You're not planning on Djing though are you? (just making sure cause everyone seems to want to these days) The soundcard only has one output, which is fine unless you want to DJ with it.
I don't know anything about the mics or speakers, but the soundcard should be pretty sturdy (and it let's you run Pro Tools which is sweet) and the Midi controller's obviously awesome.
But clearly the shining star of the package is the mic stand!
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #846 on: Nov 28th, 2008, 11:14pm »

&starton Nov 27th, 2008, 3:39pm, lazywaffle wrote:
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Akai-MPK-49-Recording-Package-703254-i1394721.gc

Thinking about picking this up tomorrow. Opinions?

the monitors/interface/mics SUCK
that keyboard alone is like 400-500 bux the rest of the stuff is sold at cost I guess

not worth it if you ask me

get an Mbox mini or mbox 2
and KRK Speakers

good mics get expensive but go for RODE/AUDIO TECHNICA/SHURE / / SENHEISER

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #847 on: Nov 29th, 2008, 1:51pm »

Picking up from a discussion me and r2ro had

lol i actually don't have anything to say anymore
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #848 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 06:28am »

It's almost christmas, which means money to blow on new gear.

The next major purchase I've been wanting to make is some good mixing gear. My last pair of headphones blew out on me, and I don't really know which way to go now since the ones I had before were some shitty AKG set that I got in a bundle package.

Anyways, I know I'll eventually need to get headphones and monitors, but if I have to make a decision between the two, which way should I go?

I've heard a lot of people recommending KRK monitors, so I was wondering if a pair of these will do.
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/KRK-Rokit-Powered-5-Generation-2?sku=482825

As far as headphones go, I'm lost. Any recommendations?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #849 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 1:56pm »

i'd say craigslist some mackies instead

i got the equivalent of mr-8s for $300
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #850 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 6:11pm »

I'm an ableton user and I'm just getting into the world of producing electro. I've got a few questions.

First, You know how justice and MSTRKRFT and many other electro producers use that real gritty sound like in the MSTRKRFT DANCE remix? How is that sound attained? Is it just a lot of distortion and compression? Could someone give me a walk through basically on how to attain a sound like that?

Second, how can I get that nasty slap bass sound? Do I have to find a sweet slap bass line or is there some way i can do that in ableton and not have it sound stupid?

Any other tips that you want to give to a beginner electro producer (again, I'm using ableton if you have any ableton specific tips as well) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

PS, I can see that some of you guys put a lot of work into helping other people out on this board and i think it's real cool and I definitely appreciate all the time and effort you guys must put in to helping others.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #851 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 6:48pm »

You're probably going to get ripped apart for the same old "how do I sound like Justice/MSTRKRFT" but the answer has been written dozens of times. Look a little bit harder.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #852 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 6:56pm »

it's not that I want to sound like them, but those are two sounds that seem to be pretty prevalent in electro music, I was just using them as examples.
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« Reply #853 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 7:06pm »

on Dec 2nd, 2008, 6:56pm, idan711 wrote:
it's not that I want to sound like them, but they're popular and I want to be popular by sounding like them
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #854 on: Dec 2nd, 2008, 7:12pm »

whatever man, Have you ever heard Surkin? Busy P? Yuksek? Crookers? They all use those sounds too. It's just a fact that those are two sounds that seem to define the style of electro that I listen to and want to make
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