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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #900 on: Dec 21st, 2008, 2:15pm »

on Dec 17th, 2008, 8:32pm, Mewithouttwo wrote:
I was more so implying form.
A sections, B sections, etc.

I'm already acclimated with the said characteristics of dance/house/etc. but the form of said genres has always baffled me because there's no real common formula-like with blues there being a certain form/most jazz/Indian ragas.

I guess I'm just asking for opinions on writing and how you personally choose to compose/add form.


Take a song you like, drop it into the timeline of your DAW, and ripoff the arrangement...
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #901 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 2:22pm »

anyone got any ideas how to get the cool Engine Reving sound thats in Beyonce's song "Single Ladies" lol its at about 33 seconds
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #902 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 7:34pm »

.......Really?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #903 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 9:29pm »

on Dec 18th, 2008, 1:23pm, savanttttttt wrote:
typical house structure :

A (with low pass filter ) - A - A - A - A - A - A - A - A - A - A

Hahahaha

But yeah Taylor's got it right. Minor changes every 16 or 8 bars, major changes every 32 bars.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #904 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:34pm »

on Dec 17th, 2008, 8:32pm, Mewithouttwo wrote:
I guess I'm just asking for opinions on writing and how you personally choose to compose/add form.


I think that when you're sitting around and thinking about the form of a piece, there's a couple things that you need to keep in mind. I've typed up two of them.

Long term and short term goals. What I mean is that every moment in the piece should be directed towards something, and every section should be directed to another section. 'Bounce' is a great example, that song has an introduction and the chorus, and then a verse, and when the verse starts we know that because of the slowly-descending vibrato pads that enter in the background, but they just slowly descend and then stop at the end of the verse. It kind of like, robs us of a small climax. Then there's another chorus, and the pad idea is varied because now there is only scratching effects at the end of every two bars. Then, in the second verse, the pads are carried through it again in the same manner they were in the first verse and also in the same manner they were in the chorus, which helps give the second verse that growing quality that it has. What also contributes to the growing quality of the second verse is that the vibrato of the pads increase in speed more than they did in the first verse, and right at the end of the second verse the vibrato gets fast enough to hear the sidebands created (what I mean by that is how the pads descend throughout the verse, but at the end it sounds like they ascend. The ascending is the upper sideband, not the fundamental note. In the first verse those sidebands weren't there.)
And then the exciting part, where the second verse lands at the climax of the song. And at this point I've talked long enough about it.

But you see, how the development of one or two ideas takes us on a path of ebb and flow, and it's always directed to clear climaxes. In my opinion, the best course of development that a dance song can have is exactly identical to the ebb and flow of a females pleasure during sex lol.


Aside from goals, another thing to keep in mind is that the most interesting forms are the most creative ones. Alot of ideas have been tossed around about form, but I felt like I had to post because those suggested ideas didn't really cover this topic. The form can, and should be, any sort of crazy, hairbrain idea that you came up with. That's the type of thinking that'll give help you give your music its own sound, and not sound like the same type of stuff we've all heard a 1000 times before. It even applies to music that sounds as static as trance, but that's kind of a different ball game.

And the form of remixes are a different ball game too. Kind of an easier one to deal with, but different nonetheless. I guess I've typed up this giant post cause I'm studying music in college, and I could really talk about form all day long. Seriously, ask me any possible question about music/music theory/music form/music anything you can think of. If that paragraph about Bounce helped, I can do that over and over for any song ever. Oh, and those sidebands in the second verse, that's a result of frequency modulation.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #905 on: Dec 22nd, 2008, 10:52pm »

i agree with you, but at the same time there is a certain format to follow with dance/house. the dj mixing my trax is still a critical part of my music... like, I don't think it should sacrifice creativity, but the whole point of making dance music for clubs shouldn't be ignored.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #906 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 12:38am »

I don't necessarily care about a streamlined structure...i say the best way to go is to make your own edit of every track you play out.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #907 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 8:55pm »

yea and you wonder why they have a record label but you don't lol
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #908 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:28pm »

single's comin out in february bro.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #909 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:33pm »

^ I think (/hope) that it was meant for merc but it was lame anyways.
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« Reply #910 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:34pm »

eh i just thought it was funny
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #911 on: Dec 23rd, 2008, 10:35pm »

Bounce is a fairly standard dance structure.
i don't know if you thought you made a point, but you didn't.
(this is directed at whoever replied to me in disagreement)
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #912 on: Dec 24th, 2008, 01:06am »

on Dec 23rd, 2008, 8:55pm, robert wrote:
yea and you wonder why they have a record label but you don't lol


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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #913 on: Dec 24th, 2008, 04:38am »

Is the Alesis 3630 too good to be true? A hardware compressor that can be bought for around $100 on eBay that is used by big names such as Daft Punk and Boys Noize? I don't understand
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #914 on: Dec 24th, 2008, 09:56am »

it was meant for miscchoc, but i was being dumb and half drunk. my bad, i should stop making stupid posts...
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