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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #930 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:12pm »

I'm currently enrolled in several music comp/IB music courses at the moment and am also trying to get into a jazz program for college (I'm 16-whatever significance that may have).

The main reason I asked the question is because with jazz or with certain standards-there's a certain form that is followed or is generally followed so in a way you can almost predict what changes are happening and where the song will go next. Thus-allowing the weird jazz-odyssey moments to be born (and god damn some of those can be boring).

With dance music though-there's no real set formula or set standard. Every artist has their own set standard and it's just interesting to see how various artists use various composition techniques to write/compose their songs.

Although dance music, in my opinion, is fairly untraditional, it still takes a lot of compositional skill to write an intriguing and progressive piece of electronic music. We all have had those situations listening to a song that's had the same drum loop or the same vocal sample played over and over and over again and we just feel like, "Jesus Christ, when is this going to end?!"

I'm rambling-but these are just my thoughts/2 cents. Sorry to annoy anyone.

Any opinions or comments are certainly welcome and desired.
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« Reply #931 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:12pm »

Haha man learn all you can. Limiting your knowledge is going to put you in a box a lot faster, trust me.

And yeah that quote means learn all you can to understand music and how it's made, but forget all of that when you're playing, because music is supposed to be art not science. It's like studying modes and jazz lines and practicing them over and over until they're drilled into your head. That way you know you can play in any situation and be able to navigate through the music. But when you actually play, you can't think about all that shit, you'll fuck up. You just have to let your instinct do the work.

Ps the Deadmau5 phase inversion thing sounds interesting... Phase inverting what though?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #932 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:21pm »

to the people that DJ with ableton or traktor, do you ever get any problems with bringing your laptop and controllers to clubs? how can you mix out of somebodies track thats playing on a traditional CDJ setup onto a laptop/controller setup?
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« Reply #933 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:30pm »

If you can't beatmatch, just wait for the song to run out and then cut really quick at the right moment. Or just go on the mic and act a fool Then start your track.
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« Reply #934 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:31pm »

Plug your laptop output into one of the channels on the club's mixer, and then its just like another turntable.
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #935 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:51pm »

on Dec 25th, 2008, 6:21pm, LukeSwits wrote:
to the people that DJ with ableton or traktor, do you ever get any problems with bringing your laptop and controllers to clubs? how can you mix out of somebodies track thats playing on a traditional CDJ setup onto a laptop/controller setup?


match the speed of their record and fade in.

or if you wanna dramatic start and its a turn table or cdj.... slow down the record or turn it off and the record will slow down and you can just start
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #936 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 6:57pm »

on Dec 25th, 2008, 1:25pm, robert wrote:
what do you mean by buzz lead? is that like some extra noise or something that he didn't want, and he got it under control?


listen to "control" by kid sister, its produced by xxxchange who copied two instances of his synth and did some weird shit with the phasing and it gives the bassline a cool buzzing sound
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« Reply #937 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 7:00pm »

Control - 8A.mp3 - 4.00MB
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« Reply #938 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 9:39pm »

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i was wondering. how do i get that synth sound from the intro/verse of hot n cold by katy perry? yeah its a shitty pop song but i think that synth sounds really good. im thinking its like a saw tooth and sine, with low attack and release? i don't know what other filter or effects to put on it, or if the oscillators are detuned.
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« Reply #939 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 10:29pm »

Yup. Play around with octaves on the oscillators and there's some detuning chorus in there too. There's also a filter envelope that might come in a bit later or something. It's a low pass with high resonance.
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« Reply #940 on: Dec 25th, 2008, 11:13pm »

on Dec 25th, 2008, 9:39pm, danceparty wrote:
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i was wondering. how do i get that synth sound from the intro/verse of hot n cold by katy perry? yeah its a shitty pop song but i think that synth sounds really good. im thinking its like a saw tooth and sine, with low attack and release? i don't know what other filter or effects to put on it, or if the oscillators are detuned.


omg i so agree with this guy, i always loved the instrumental

its just a 2 osc arpeggiated synth with a lp filter on it
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #941 on: Dec 26th, 2008, 09:27am »

Sorry if I'm annoying anyone but I trying to find a good Djing/CDJing set up.

A fellow friend of mine recommended that I buy this just to play around with and get started on

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Numark-CD-Mix1-Dual-CD-PlayerMixer?sku=800421

, while after lurking around a little further on Musiciansfriend I also found this

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Numark-FUSION111-DJ-Package-with-CD-Players?sku=808468

I've been performing live so far with merely my computer (Surkin-style kinda) and am hoping to invest in a beginner/entry level product.

Any thoughts/opinions/suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #942 on: Dec 26th, 2008, 12:23pm »

so I just switched too logic.. and I can tell it's going too take me a really long time too get the groove of things.. anyone got any quick tipzz ?
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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #943 on: Dec 26th, 2008, 7:08pm »

on Dec 25th, 2008, 6:57pm, Taylor wrote:
listen to "control" by kid sister, its produced by xxxchange who copied two instances of his synth and did some weird shit with the phasing and it gives the bassline a cool buzzing sound

so, i've been working on reconstructing that bass sound all day cause reconstructing other people's noises usually teaches me more techniques than just messing around while i make up stuff. and what you say about phasing, i get that, cause i'm looking at the wave form of his bass and it looks like a square and an inverted sawtooth. but i'm realizing its impossible to recreate the same sound cause that guy probably tweaked a ton of different things, like gain and reverb.
but what you say about copying two instances of his synth sounds exactly like the technique of using a delay loop or a feedback loop. the difference i know between the two is that in a delay loop creates delay, but a feedback loop applies gain in between the output and the next input. what i've heard is that if delay is 25-40 milliseconds in length than it sounds like reverb, if its over 40 milliseconds than it sounds like echo, and if its under 25 milliseconds than it creates that metallic buzzing sound. but i'm not entirely sure, if i'm wrong i hope somebody will correct this. that bass sound would then use a delay that's under 25 millseconds. but i'm can't recreate it at all so i'm open to anybodies ideas.

about the kate perry, the attacks that bass is really soft and smooth, and sine waves always sound really nasally to me. everything that's been said about it so far sounds really right, but if it was a combination between a sawtooth and a square instead of a saw and sine i wouldn't be suprised, but idk i'm just guessing. i couldn't find a mp3 of it to look at the wave anways

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Re: Making Electronic Music
« Reply #944 on: Dec 26th, 2008, 9:31pm »

on Dec 25th, 2008, 6:12pm, Kyran wrote:
Haha man learn all you can. Limiting your knowledge is going to put you in a box a lot faster, trust me.

And yeah that quote means learn all you can to understand music and how it's made, but forget all of that when you're playing, because music is supposed to be art not science. It's like studying modes and jazz lines and practicing them over and over until they're drilled into your head. That way you know you can play in any situation and be able to navigate through the music. But when you actually play, you can't think about all that shit, you'll fuck up. You just have to let your instinct do the work.

Ps the Deadmau5 phase inversion thing sounds interesting... Phase inverting what though?


Music theory puts you in a box because it teaches you rules, and the most innovative music breaks rules.

My advice to noobies is to learn everything (EVERYTHING) you can about production, and take piano lessons. It's far more important to know how to produce well then it is to know what a the secondary dominant of the minor III in F# major is. Don't believe me? Go look in the 400 pages of questions to Jesse and count the number of questions people have asked him about music production. And then count the number of questions people have asked him about music theory.
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